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  • Let's overhaul our scientific policy

    Ever since I re-joined the Demogame a month ago, we have been researching at the very slow pace of one tech every 40 turns, while hoarding money like crazy. Our strategy was to get techs from peace deals, as we bullied our neighbours.

    This strategy is now obsolete IMHO, and it is time for a change.

    This strategy is obsolete because we are no threat to the AI because of our extremely low tech. The AI runs around in Mechanized Infantries, and the best we can oppose them is Berzerkers = we can't hope to bully them, we can barely hope to survive against an invasion.
    This strategy is obsolete because we are completely distrusted by every other AI Civ, and we can't possibly trade techs for gpt or luxuries. There is pretty much no hope at all to get techs from abroad.

    But we do need to develop techs. As the Romans, the Koreans, the Greeks, the Japanese, the French and the Celts think of sending tanks at our home, our best defensive units are pikemen. We cannot build musketmen, because we have no access to saltpeter at all.
    This lack of saltpeter also changes one thing: so far we have been hoarding money, hoping to use it to massively upgrade our pikemen. We can not upgrade them. Actually, our upgrade expenditures before nationalism will amount to a grend total of 480 gold. We can pay it up front right now if we want. After that, our hoard will serve no particular purpose, save for rush-building.


    This is why we need to get to nationalism as quickly as possible. We have many cities, with much population, and some scientifc infrastructure. Getting there will take time, but it won't take forever.

    If we raise our science funding to have a balanced budget, we'll discover Banking in 15 turns, Physics in 19 turns, and (according to my calculations), Magnetism in 20 turns, and ToG in 20 turns as well. Nationalism would be 35 turns away after that.
    Developing nationalism would take 109 turns total from here. Much better than the 200 turns it would take with our current strategy (240 if we do the useless hike through Military Tradition! )

    Such a delay is the worst-case scenario. We are building universities in our core cities, and libraries in productive cities as we speak. We can also trade wines with England, making many more people work for our science. I personally expect Nationalism to be discovered in less than 90 turns, if no invader comes to our shores by then, and if we play it right.

    In short, my suggestions are:
    Raise science budget from 0% to 40%, starting immediately
    Research in that order: Banking, Physics, Magnetism, Theory of Gravity, Nationalism
    Do not research Military Tradition - we don't have saltpeter, and nobody will trade it with us.
    Continue to build economic and scientific infrastructure, at least until an enemy transport fleet comes close to our shore

    I must admit this plan considers the enemy is unable to land a significant invasion force here (no more than 8 units, the contents of a Transport), that we'll be able to fend off with our 34 berzies and 11 swordsmen (upgradable to Medieval Infantry).
    This plan also considers the complete geopolitical chaos the world is experiencing right now. With so many simultaneous wars, we have a chance to slip under the radar, and to be in relative tranquility, despite all the wars declared on us.

    Please discuss, and share your ideas
    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

  • #2
    Especially with all those techs already researched by those we know, they are far cheaper for us than they would have been for our despicable neighbours.

    Sounds like a plan here. If we get invaded it's just bad luck, and we can't do much about it with the gold anyway.

    Time for a Viking Enlightenment!
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    • #3
      indeed bring it on
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      • #4
        I said this a while back when more people disagreed, the only time to horde cash and bully tech is when the AI is actually scared of you!! we lost that position some time back.

        Libraries Libraries Libraries and spend some cash on research
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        • #5
          research! research! research! lets show those bass-terds that wenot only have muscles, but brains too!

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          • #6
            That's what we just did. It looks like Military Tradition will only take 11 turns to research in all. It is almost as expansive as the last medieval techs, which gives us hopes to get to industrial fairly quickly

            Unfortunately, these 11 turns are wasted, since we don't have any saltpeter
            "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
            "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
            "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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            • #7
              i never undserstood the no research creed. but then again i never play deity ....
              GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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              • #8
                Well, no-research was a sound strategy some time ago, when we could hope to bully our ,eighbours into giving techs. Besides, it gave us cash, which allowed to buy techs, and to rush buildings.

                Unfortunately, our bullying stopped to be successful 10 turns ago or so, after conquering the southern island from tehEgyptians.

                And our reputation is screwed beyond repair, which means no AI will ever trade techs for gpt or luxuries with us.

                As such, we must research by ourselves, being inherently almost twice slower than everybody else (deity) + almost twice slower than everybody else (monarchy vs democracy). As a result, we struggle to discover techs that would be easily discovered in 4 turns by the AI.

                In short: in deity, it is much more convenient to take techs from abroad, but we now can't do it, and we have to sluggishly research on our own.
                "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                • #9
                  We should consider gifting some gold etc to civs we think might become a little more favourable towards us. Did we break any treaties/NAPs/deals etc? If so we're probably screwed. If not we have a chance to make some friends.
                  Consul.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
                    Did we break any treaties/NAPs/deals etc?
                    I haven't followed the DG since the beginning, but my gut feeling tells me the answer is "plenty". No other Civ will accept trading with us, if they provide something up front while we provide something per turn.
                    "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                    "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                    "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                    • #11
                      Yes, we did
                      We have twice bought techs from the greeks and in the same turn we declared war to them.
                      We had military alliance with Egypt and we made peace with our common enemy before the 20th turn of the agreement.
                      These are the deals we have violated.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by ormuzd
                        We have twice bought techs from the greeks and in the same turn we declared war to them.


                        I wondered what the other countries were talking about when they said "we know what you did to Greece, don't expect to do the same to us". Well, I guess we have our answer.

                        Ormuzd: do you know if we ever sneak-attacked, or if we declared war prior to putting troops in enemy territory?
                        "I have been reading up on the universe and have come to the conclusion that the universe is a good thing." -- Dissident
                        "I never had the need to have a boner." -- Dissident
                        "I have never cut off my penis when I was upset over a girl." -- Dis

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                        • #13
                          wow deity is very tricky....
                          GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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                          • #14
                            I hear you Raz.

                            And about the time I was Prez, we declared war on Persia before attacking them. Since then I couldn't say.
                            Consul.

                            Back to the ROOTS of addiction. My first missed poll!

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                            • #15
                              il lstick to my cheiften and warlord games...
                              GM of MAFIA #40 ,#41, #43, #45,#47,#49-#51,#53-#58,#61,#68,#70, #71

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