Senate Bill: Enabeling legislation for Persian campaign

[joncnunn]

I'm fairly sure the Greeks are less agressive than the Persians.

[Shiber]

They are. Persia has the aggressiveness rating of 4, while Greece is rated as 3.

[Panag]

hi ,

Roadcage the link is not working properly , here is the correct link ; http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...2&goto=newpost

have a nice day

[Aro]

Hmmm... 3 is aggressive enough to me. In Emperor level, we can't trust anyone... even ourselves!

[Aro]

We need a "plan B", due the strong opposition to any RoP. And I agree, one little hole in our Maginot Line and we're ******. We'll need to close almost ALL borders, not just our Greek frontiers. They have a RoP with Aztecs, for exemple.

Originally posted by roadcage
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Without a RoP Samaria in 2 and Hamadan in 3

This is better than mine.

[Shiber]

Maybe if we send our diplomats to launch an investigation of the two Persian cities, it would give us some insight.

[roadcage]

Plan "B" is as follows
No RoP

Turn 1 objectives

Cav stack Konigsburg 17 (in Persia)
Arty Stack E-town 9 aka Samaria 15 (in Persia)

Do the Cav first, just in case there is a Persian on Konigsburg 17. That way we can bombard a little and take the pressure off of the Cav and still take the tile.

Corps of Engineers estimate: 0 this turn

Turn 2 objectives

bombard Samaria
take Samaria
rail through Samaria 15,14,4,8 (and others for CP reasons)
Advance Cav Stack to Samaria 17 (Persia)
If occupied by Persia, bombard and call in Khufu
Advance unfired Artys to Samaria 17 once cleared

Corps of Engineers estimate: 9 domestics + CP needs say 15 total

Turn 3 objectives

bombard Hamadan
Take Hamadan
rail to Hamadan (and several tier 1 tiles for CP reasons)

If there are Persians on Samaria 17 it might take 4 turns.

Corps of Engineers estimate: 7 domestics + CP needs say 13 total

[CiverDan]

Unless we our going for a UN victory, which I am against, there is no need for a RoP just so we can attack one city belonging to a hopeless civ. I am ok with attacking Persia, but I don't want a RoP with Greece.

[Arnelos]

E_T, et al,

What influence will conquering the Persian cities have on corruption in other cities in our current empire?

I believe it actually WON'T hurt us because I think the Persian cities are further away than other FP-centric cities, but it wouldn't hurt to double-check.

[GhengisFarb™]

What is going to be the maintenance cost per turn on this vast number of workers/units we will use to build this unbreakable wall around our entire border and coast?

The workers will be useless as they can do nothing but stand there as isn't that many things they can do to one single tile to keep them occupied for the entire RoP is there?

[Meshelic]

A worker wall, by the way, is pretty much useless on a land border, as opposed to a sea invasion, such as the one that was a possibility on Uber Isle.

The fact is, if we have a worker wall in place (I have rethought my position very carefully on this), that isn't enough to stop Alexander from invading us. Workers have no defense value, other than taking up space.

The result, if Alex decided to attack the "worker wall", would be that we would lose workers, and Alex would have a hugely strategic advantage, being able to flank our military and cut into the industrial center of our empire.

I don't wish to sacrifice workers to go the front lines and defend a border that would be better suited defended by staggered, defensive military units.

[GhengisFarb™]

EDIT: Delayed double post.

[WaxTadpole]

I absolutely HATE saying no to this. I believe roadcage's plan to be brilliant, and I'm just sorry the possible reward to the venture he proposes doesn't justify the risk of the ROP with Greece.

Part of the downside of being a strong nation is that when evaluating a risk/reward situation, it becomes necessary to become more cautious. We have much to lose, and in this particular situation, comparatively little to gain.

I do wholeheartedly support and encourage a campaign to have the head of Xerxes adorn the walls of the Macross palace. This can be accomplished by far more mundane means than the Roadcage Gambit.

It still saddens me to be an opponent of such a beautiful and diabolical plan. I am thrilled to count roadcage as a fellow Apolytonian and not an adversary.

[Thud]

Welcome WaxTadpole. You'll want to join the DIA...

Part of the downside of being a strong nation is that when evaluating a risk/reward situation, it becomes necessary to become more cautious. We have much to lose, and in this particular situation, comparatively little to gain.

Quite.

[Panzer32]

Nicely said, Wax Tadpole! :b