Senate Bill: Enabeling legislation for Persian campaign

[roadcage]

Senate Bill: Enabeling the Persian campaign


Shall the Senate pass a resolution authorizing the FM to make a RoP agreement with Greece, and assuming diplomatic success, issue a Declaration of War against Persia.

The discussion thread is located at:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...42&goto=newpost

-edited redundant material

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

[Aro]

Yea.

[roadcage]

Yes, I finally got it. I know what the problem was, I was previewing instead of posting the Poll. On the lookout for a few large trout

This legislative stuff is so new to me. In RL all I have to do is write a white paper for my boss.

[Shiber]

Yea.

[joncnunn]

Persia: Sure, won't slow down Hospital builds or other needed improvements.

We won't even need settlers for this:
Neither of the Persian cities can be moved without the territory becoming Greek.

(Persia seems to have previously lost Sidon to the Aztecs and it's other northern city to the English.)

I also noted that the Greeks now own Centralia. (Possible cultural flip?)

[Thud]

There is no reason for this wanton violence! I draw the line here! No more reckless war!

[Kloreep]

Hmm... this gets us oil and saltpeter (in other words, it gets us an oil) and brings the last of Persia into Apolytonia. Without delaying infrastructure.

[roadcage]

Roleplay

For what purpose does the Gentleman from Texas rise?

Mr President, I rise to thank my most renound builder colleagues from Texas and Maryland. I rejoice that we can join hands across the isle when our interests are aligned.

We take this action not as a wanton act of destruction, but rather to harvest a just reward for the memory of those brave swords and knights that paid the highest price on the plains of Presopolis so very long ago.

I reach across the isle to the Gentleman from Conneticut and ask him to please reconsider and join us as we commit to complete their grand task.

[Meshelic]

Our armed forces are ready, mobile, and anxious to keep themselves busy.

I vote

[Arnelos]

Nay

Not because I care about Persia, but because I believe the signing of a RoP agreement to be a mistake. The esteemed members of the Senate should recall what happened the LAST TIME we signed a RoP agreement with one of our neighbors... Indeed, Persia comes to mind.

I'd rather not make the same mistake when railroads give a potential foe such unlimited access to our empire.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Arnelos
Nay

Not because I care about Persia, but because I believe the signing of a RoP agreement to be a mistake. The esteemed members of the Senate should recall what happened the LAST TIME we signed a RoP agreement with one of our neighbors... Indeed, Persia comes to mind.

I'd rather not make the same mistake when railroads give a potential foe such unlimited access to our empire.

Ditto.

[Panzer32]

what did happen the last time we had an ROP? (I hadn't joined then)

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Panzer32
what did happen the last time we had an ROP? (I hadn't joined then)

Persia used the RoP to invade our territory and surprise attack us behind our front lines.

Had we had railroads, they could have taken Apolyton itself for all we know...

Thankfully, we did NOT have railroads and were able to first beat off the Persian invaders and EVENTUALLY (though it took quite some time) invade Persia due to the good work of then SMC Aggie and those assisting with the war planning.

Signing a RoP with an industrialized AI civ while our entire territory has railroads has the potential to be an unmitigated disaster. Unlike Persia that didn't even have a source of iron until they were nearly dead, Greece has a modern army and would probably use it.

[Aggie]

NO ROP, it is unnecessary and could cause huge problems. Remember the Persia ROP.
Aggie

[Aro]

But maybe we don't need any RoP.

We can take Samaria in three turns, I think.. E-Town will expand the cultural border in three turns, too. So, we can take Samaria and still connected with the rest of Empire, after the downsizing of the cultural border. Btw, there's no another spot to found a city closest to Hamadan, we should keep Samaria. Our workers will be able to railroad the city.

From there, we can launch an assault to Hamadan without even touch the greek soil (am I right?); more 3 turns to take the city...
So, 6 (maybe 7) turns to take the last Persian city.

Hmmm... Well, I'm a lousy strategist... One of you, guys (Mesh? Aggie? roadcage?) certainly can think in a better plan. Could you make this in 5 turns? And how much 6 turns can affect happiness, the WLPDs and the approval rate?

NOTE:
I completely agree with Arnelos and Aggie, no RoP. But this doesn't means no war.