Persia, oh Persia

[roadcage]

What have you gone and done?
You listened to Caesar
A pathetic wheezer
So Alex comes calling with a gun

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Is there a way to profit from this?

YES!

WE Alliance with Greece against Persia (but not Rome)
We RoP Greece
And take Persia out from underneath Alex's nose
In one or two turns tops. The alliance will end when Persia falls.

I know many will question this, but we need to remain opportunistic. We have enough Infantry now to allow a RoP with Greece. To add insult to injury...

We give Greece an opening across our southern blockace to reach Rome. Watch them move huge forces down there, then SEAL the border

The perfect diplomatic backstab.

Please discuss

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

[GhengisFarb™]

I do not like the idea of an ROP with anybody.

[roadcage]

RoP's are a tool. And any tool can be used wisely or unwisely. I believe that this is an example of the former.

We have excellent prospects of taking the Persian cities and simultaneously locking the Greek forces up on the Roman side of our Southern Cavalry Wall.

Alex and Caesar deserve each other. It is our duty to ensure their meeting takes place.

[Aro]

Re: Persia, oh Persia

Originally posted by roadcage

To add insult to injury...
............................

We give Greece an opening across our southern blockace to reach Rome. Watch them move huge forces down there, then SEAL the border

The perfect diplomatic backstab.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

I have to admit, I like it.

[Arnelos]

One itty bitty problem.... because we are playing with version 1.21f, if we wipe out Persia while allied with another country against Persia, we take a rep hit for the cancellation of the alliance.

Sucky bug, but it really puts a big hole in this plan...

[roadcage]

Ok, so don't ally, just RoP. We really don't need Greeks help, just their roads and railroads.

[Spiffor]

But in these circumstances, we cannot seal the border, except by declaring war to Greece.
The interest of getting Hamadan (the greatest good a RoP would bring) is low when compared to the risk of having the Greeks loose on our territory. Especially since Hamadan is closer to Athen than to Macross City, and knowing that old Ephesus and Halicarnassus are nearby (cultural risk)

[GhengisFarb™]

Originally posted by Spiffor
But in these circumstances, we cannot seal the border, except by declaring war to Greece.
The interest of getting Hamadan (the greatest good a RoP would bring) is low when compared to the risk of having the Greeks loose on our territory. Especially since Hamadan is closer to Athen than to Macross City, and knowing that old Ephesus and Halicarnassus are nearby (cultural risk)

Agree.

[roadcage]

But in these circumstances, we cannot seal the border, except by declaring war to Greece.

The border sealing I am talking about is what we now have in place far to the south. Notice that it is done solely on our own territory. There is no foul. The twist is to 'show' Greece a way to the south, and once they take the bait re-close and trap them there.

The interest of getting Hamadan (the greatest good a RoP would bring) is low when compared to the risk of having the Greeks loose on our territory.

We have ample Infantry and other units to garrison all cities. Infact, treachery by Alex would be beneficial.

Especially since Hamadan is closer to Athen than to Macross City, and knowing that old Ephesus and Halicarnassus are nearby (cultural risk)

While distance from Palace does favor Greece, we have superior overall culture to Greece. And additionally, we have one settler in reserve which could be used to rebuild Hamadan in a location of our choosing most. This would make the city size 1 100% Apolytonian natinality. This is not a serious flip risk.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by roadcage
The border sealing I am talking about is what we now have in place far to the south. Notice that it is done solely on our own territory. There is no foul. The twist is to 'show' Greece a way to the south, and once they take the bait re-close and trap them there.

If I understand the plan (sorry, I'm tired, and there are some words here I don't understand), we sign a RoP with Greece so that Alex sends his troops south to fight the Romans. Once Alex's troops are there, we abolish our RoP so that they cannot return home (I suppose that's what "sealing the border" means).
If I am correct, we'd have to declare war to Alex to end the RoP before the 20 turns are over. And if we do, we'll suffer a major reputational hit (I think the game is programmed to consider this the worst of treachery IIRC).

[roadcage]

No. Sealing the border is placing a line of units along the border so that the Greek units cannot find an empty tile to move across. We do not break the RoP, we simply make it useful to us and not useful to the partner. Perfectly acceptable under the current Diplomatic protocols.

[Spiffor]

OK, I understand now.
Pretty nice plan But I will sleep before saying if I'm in favor of it or not (gotta evaluate the risks of having the Greeks on our territory : as you know, I'm against war)

[Panag]

Originally posted by Spiffor
OK, I understand now.
Pretty nice plan But I will sleep before saying if I'm in favor of it or not (gotta evaluate the risks of having the Greeks on our territory : as you know, I'm against war)

hi ,

, .....

well then there is only one solution , ...... if you dont want war , just get rid of anything that can creat war , ...

in other words , ask the greeks to leave , if they dont get it , ..... "peace true power" , .....

if we are going to let anybody use our land we should get something in return , at least 25 LPT , ......

have a nice day

[roadcage]

Panang, what we get for the RoP is easy approach and quick victory over Persia, and staging for the Aztec Ivory tile if and when we decide we want it.

But it is clear that despite how truly beautiful (in a fiendish sort of way) this plan is, it will probably not be executed in this game due to Senate inaction regarding the necessary RoP. This is a shame.

For those who dare to dream, the elements are:

in 1360
1-RoP Greeks
2-Upgrade Greek roads all the way to within Arty range of Hamadan
3-Advance a Cav from the southern wall to observe Hamadan
4-Advance and fire Arty individually noting Hamadan hp status. Reserve remaining Arty-see 8 and 12 this turn
5-When suitably weakened, Assault Hamadan with Cav and bring in adequate forces to contain resistance
6-Secure Hamadan
7-continue rail development around Hamadan
8-rail eastward to and including a certain Mountain Tile that is Arty site for remaining Persian City
9-position workers on mountain sw of E-town to road next turn
10-position worker on adjacent greek tile for road next turn (9 and 10 create alternate path out of Greece if req'd)
11-position workers for road approaches towards remaining Persian town from Greek Heidelberg.
12-position Arty to fire on remaining Persian city
13-position suitable Cav forces to attack remaining Persian town next turn.
14-Position Infantry to protect all Arty potentially exposed to Persian forces
15-Position some unit (Infantry?) infront of the Arty to watch Persian city.

Then continue with other 1360 business

1365

1-Fire Arty into remaining Persian City
2-Assault and capture
3-misc tile development around captured city
4-re-deploy all forces for defensive posture

have a nice day!

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

[BigFurryMonster]

Originally posted by Arnelos
One itty bitty problem.... because we are playing with version 1.21f, if we wipe out Persia while allied with another country against Persia, we take a rep hit for the cancellation of the alliance.

Sucky bug, but it really puts a big hole in this plan...

Ah! Another reason to install patch 1.29 !