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    We're finishing up the turns from the last turnchat. The time is Monday (tomorrow), 22:00 GMT, so if you have any comments or suggestions to make before the turnchat - do it fast!
    I apologize for the rush, but it's for reasons beyond my control. I promise that next time you will have more time to discuss my orders. I also promise to review this thread several times during the next 25 hours, including once just before the turnchat begins.
    Finally, I'm afraid that I will not be able to attend this turnchat. I have asked Thud to be my replacement, and I'm currently waiting for his reply on this matter.
    My orders follow:

    Turn 0 (1330 AD, beginning of turnchat)
    - All quiet On The Western Front.

    Turn 1
    - Sell Atomic Theory to Zululand for as much gold as they can offer.

    Turn 2
    - MPPs expire! Do not extend these agreements, since we'd probably want to end the wars soon (most likely during the next turnchat).
    - We may sign peace treaties now without taking a reputation hit. The war with Rome serves no real purpose and we have no goals, so sign a peace treaty with Rome. Babylon doesn't have anything in particular that we want, so sign a peace treaty with Babylon for as much gold, gpt or anything else (in this order) that they can pay (I expect very little).
    - We can't sign a peace treaty with Germany because we have alliances with India and Persia against them, but I'd support eliminating Germany altogether, even if India and Persia break the alliances before they are over. Anyway, we seem to be holding so far, so we can delay this discussion to the next turnchat.
    - Our trade deal for furs from India will end this turn. Renew our supply of furs! We must have those furs in order to keep our citizens happy. See if we can renegotiate our peace treaty with India for furs and thereby get them for free. Otherwise, sell Radio to India for furs, and as much as Gandhi can afford.
    - If radio was not sold to India yet (see order above), sell Radio to India, if they can offer 1,500 gold or more in cash, gpt or mixed.
    - A resources and luxuries deal with Persia expires this turn, so Persia will have some gpt freed. Offer to sell them a tech, and if they can't pay 100 gpt or more (the likely option), offer to sell them luxuries or resources (preferably luxuries, but throw in resources as well if Xerxes will pay more) for as much gpt as they can afford.
    - A deal with India will expire, and they'll have some gpt freed up. See if they can afford to buy a tech (minimum price is 100 gpt) or luxuries (minimum price is 25 gpt).

    Turn 3
    - Im Western Nichts Neves.

    Turn 4
    - Enough of the war with Japan for now. We have nothing to gain from it anyway, so sign a peace treaty with Japan for as much gold, gpt or anything else (in this order) that they can pay.

    General orders
    - When signing a peace treaty, try to maximize our profits! Demand (in the following order): gold, gpt, luxuries, resources, workers, maps. If the AI will agree to withdraw from a city/cities as well in exchange for peace, debate whether we want those cities (I leave the final decision to the cabinet, if I am not present during the turnchat).
    - Check if any workers are available for purchase every turn, and buy if any are available. Slaves cost us near to nothing, and if we integrate them to our cities they will return the investment in a couple of turns.
    - Opportunities come and go, and we don't wanna miss any! Check every turn if there are any opportunities to sell techs (for a minimum price of 1,500 gold in cash, gpt or mixed) or luxuries/resources (for a minimum price of 500 gold in cash, gpt or mixed; sell resources only to civs that are behind on 3 or more techs) to any of the AIs.
    - In case I am not present during the turnchat, any or all of the above orders may be changed, should they become harmful or inappropriate. I recommend that the present cabinet be polled on any changes to my orders before they are made.

    Any questions?
    Last edited by Shiber; January 27, 2003, 18:10.
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  • #2
    If it is possible to let some of the MPP's ride (don't remember whether this is possible), it would be advisable to do so. We want to keep those countries from stabbing us in the back for at least as long as those alliances require us to remain at war.

    That said, I'm pretty sure that they'll probably call us up to ask if we want to extend the MPPs, in which case we do not.

    Oh well
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    • #3
      Oh... another note... the FAM needs approval from either the President or the SMC to sign a peace treaty. I assume that won't be a problem for these treaties, but technically you have to ask for it
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      • #4
        Asked. Approved. Thanks.
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        • #5
          Yes, the MPP's... We can let some, but not with England (there are some rumors about war... ), unless we decide that we don't want war with Liz.
          Anyway, we should think about our war weariness. It's too high now. 50% in many regions, in Old Germany is more.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Aro
            Yes, the MPP's... We can let some, but not with England (there are some rumors about war... ), unless we decide that we don't want war with Liz.
            Anyway, we should think about our war weariness. It's too high now. 50% in many regions, in Old Germany is more.
            Unless you're near on to suicidal when it comes to dealing with war weariness, you won't be trying to go to war with Lizzy for at least the next 30 turns...

            So a few more turns of an MPP aren't going to hurt you and MIGHT just prevent Lizzy from signing an alliance against us that dooms our government to fall into anarchy...
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            • #7
              I already had the agreement of Meshelic and Aro from the last turnchat. I figured that if these are the exact same orders, they do not have to be reapproved. Anyway, now everything is taken care of, thanks to Aro.

              Regarding your suggestion to let the MPPs ride, I understand that signing peace with Rome while some of our allies are still at war with them would be considered treachery. Therefore, if we let the MPPs ride, we would not be able to end the war with Rome without taking a rep hit.

              Roadcage: last time you said that we should continue the war with Japan and Babylon, because in contrary to my beliefs, that the positive effect of war weariness that is experienced when another civ declares war on you, wears out after 5 turns (giving you just enough time to sign a peace treaty before WW starts to climb), it stays for as long as certain terms are met, and that as a result, signing peace with Japan and Babylon would actually raise our WW (I don't suppose I need to remind you all this, but the other readers may be interested ).
              Well, I appreciate your suggestions, as always, and I'm willing to take this one, but I'll need some proof first, to base my decision upon. I understand that the algorithms behind WW have never been officially revealed, so in this case, threads where a significant amount of people have posted about experiencing the same effects that you describe, thus empirically proving the theory that you support, would be enough.
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              • #8
                Should we give our Roman cities to former allies, after milking these cities for workers ?
                And how many turns are there left before Germany falls ? Wouldn't it be more advisable to declare peace with Germany, because of war weariness ?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Spiffor
                  Should we give our Roman cities to former allies, after milking these cities for workers ?
                  And how many turns are there left before Germany falls ? Wouldn't it be more advisable to declare peace with Germany, because of war weariness ?
                  hi ,

                  we should not give anything away until we know where the last two resources are , .... (!)

                  have a nice day
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                  • #10
                    We shouldn't make peace with Germany.It will fall in some turns. I we make peace now, the other nations will conquer the last cities. I think those cities would be better in our hands than under Greek, English or Aztec rule.
                    Let us conquer Germany ASAP and then make peace again with the other evil nations like th Romans, Babylonians and Japanese as we can't keep this war going on due to the warweariness.

                    Aidun
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Aidun
                      We shouldn't make peace with Germany.It will fall in some turns. I we make peace now, the other nations will conquer the last cities. I think those cities would be better in our hands than under Greek, English or Aztec rule.
                      Let us conquer Germany ASAP and then make peace again with the other evil nations like th Romans, Babylonians and Japanese as we can't keep this war going on due to the warweariness.

                      Aidun
                      hi ,

                      we can always play hide and seek with the forces of the other species , .....

                      or we could even help germany , ......

                      have a nice day
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by panag


                        hi ,

                        we should not give anything away until we know where the last two resources are , .... (!)

                        have a nice day
                        This argument is very valid. We are not assured of having any aluminum or uranium in our borders.
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                        • #13
                          I agree, panag
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by panag

                            or we could even help germany , ......
                            What is this treacherous, and traitorous talk? DOWN WITH THE GERMANS! NO PEACE FOR BISMARCK!

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                            • #15
                              We have alliances against Germany which will last for five turns after the MPPs end, IIRC (I'm at school at the moment, not sure about the time of expiration but definitely certain about those alliances), so peace with Germany is out of the question at the moment.
                              Regarding gifting cities, we should review this issue more carefully, but I'd support Panag's statement on this issue.
                              Lastly, about eliminating Germany - I'm all for taking as many German cities as possible until we can sign peace, but after that, it's back to normalcy. Our DM and RAs can tell you how much war weariness is hurting us, and a couple of German cities left on the map will make little difference (especially since they'll be ultra corrupt under our hands). If we want to eliminate Otto completely, we can do that any time, so it's best to do that when it's most convenient for us.
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