SENATE BILL: Save Na'rmer for a Wonder of the World

[CiverDan]

Why not use him for a Army...Prebuild the Palace at Ferropolis at the appropriate time and switch to the UN. we are talkin 2-3 turns difference between using the leader for the UN and Building it at Ferropolis.

[roadcage]

Yes, Army is the correct thing from in-game conditions, but everyone is so shell shocked over the Seti fiasco, they just don't want to be cursed with another GL.

I understand this. I even suggested it. But still, I could not bring myself to vote for it.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

[E_T]

I would like to see another Army built, we have several chances to get another GL. And with our Porduction Capabilities AND our Tech lead, we should have NO problem building UN.

E_T

[joncnunn]

Perhaps a Senator could propse a bill that the DM be authorized to rush whatever he wants with the GLs?

I'd use the current one for Wall Street and should the next one appear in the near future, use it for the CIA.

[Panag]

hi ,

very soon we shall be able to build armies , so what we really should do is use our GL's to build wonders , wheter small or big , ......

have a nice day

[Panag]

Originally posted by joncnunn
Perhaps a Senator could propse a bill that the DM be authorized to rush whatever he wants with the GLs?

I'd use the current one for Wall Street and should the next one appear in the near future, use it for the CIA.

hi ,

now we are speaking sense

have a nice day

[Shiber]

It makes perfect sense. We elect the DM, and he decides what to do with the GLs.
At this point when GLs aren't necessary for our advancement, and in fact make little difference since we can build everything ourselves, we don't need a procedure based on direct democracy to determine their purpose. We can have an elected official do that, and thus take all this necessary hassle off our heads for good!

[roadcage]

Perhaps a Senator could propse a bill that the DM be authorized to rush whatever he wants with the GLs?

Totally unnecessary. This is even worse than a "committee" picking the GL's assignment. GL's are big in-game events. It is necessary that the senate be involved, otherwise we might as well disband the senate.

What we need is some mechanism to ensure that a viable senate bill gets drafted in a timely fashion. Our history demonstrates that the senate does vote in a timely matter. We have never had a quorum problem.

I have no problem with just about any mechanism we can create here to ensure that GL bills gets drafted. We have taken this path before. That's what Amendment 1 is all about. Remember, Amendment 1 was born out of the frustration of the FM to get enabeling diplomacy bills drafted.

Passage of a bill as indicated in the quote would take us another step along the path towards a highly structured environment as can be seen by checking out the CFC forums. Democracy is at it's best when the chaos of open discussion and free flow of ideas is allowed to proceed. That is the greatest strength of our SPDG. We have disorderly open discourse among a diverse group of CIV3 players. The cacophony on our forum is music to these ears.

Ssgt roadcage (retired)

[Shiber]

Roadcage: surely we would want the entire game to be a direct democracy, where everything is voted upon, but that simply isn't possible, so we only vote on the major issues, and leave the rest to elected officials - as in a representational democracy.
Nowadays, a vast majority (just look at the results of this poll!) thinks that GLs aren't important anymore. In fact, they believe that GLs are so unimportant that they'd rather give up GLs altogether than have them, along with the hassle of having to decide what to use them for, and the delay to the game.
So, which way do you think is better: a committee or another representational body which decides on the matter of GLs, or no GLs at all?

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by roadcage
Democracy is at it's best when the chaos of open discussion and free flow of ideas is allowed to proceed. That is the greatest strength of our SPDG. We have disorderly open discourse among a diverse group of CIV3 players. The cacophony on our forum is music to these ears.

"...instead of looking on discussion as a stumbling-block in the way of action, we think it an indispensable preliminary to any wise action at all."
- Pericles, Funeral Oration for the dead soldiers of Athens (as recorded by Thucydides)

[Aro]

Agreed, roadcage.
Nice quote, Arnelos...

[Shiber]

Most of the people don't want to give up their right to choose what the GL is used for, but most people would rather throw away GLs altogether than have to delay the game to use their right to choose what to do with the GLs. You gotta admit this is absurd.

[Aggie]

Originally posted by joncnunn
Perhaps a Senator could propse a bill that the DM be authorized to rush whatever he wants with the GLs?

I'd use the current one for Wall Street and should the next one appear in the near future, use it for the CIA.

This would have to admendment to be constitutional since it would change a part of the constitution.
Aggie

[Aro]

Ok, Na'rmer should wait.
I'm detopping this.
We'll run the chat tomorrow, but would be great if we have a decision about Na'rmer in time for the subsequent turnchat. It's up to you, Senators...

[Panag]

Originally posted by Shiber
Most of the people don't want to give up their right to choose what the GL is used for, but most people would rather throw away GLs altogether than have to delay the game to use their right to choose what to do with the GLs. You gotta admit this is absurd.

hi ,

we should not trow the right away , .....

but we should plan ahead

have a nice day