Senate Bill: Shall Seti be used to relocate the Palace to Macross City?

[joncnunn]

I suggest that a constitional amendment be worked out to avoid deadlocks where no single proposal has a majority support as the first option.

Perferably something like instant runnoff polls (otherwise known as perferance voting.)

Originally posted by Meshelic
As we near closer and closer to the end of the game (we're not even in modern times yet folks, but still) I sense there is going to be continued dispute over how to go about winning it. It could get pretty ugly...

[Aggie]

Maybe we should have a speial chat on this. We decide it in chat, there is nothing that says it must be a poll.
Aggie

[joncnunn]

My perference list for Seti:

1. Palace at Marcross City

2. Palace at any city such that the Iron Works city will have the same (or less) waste as it would in Marcross City.

3. Army.

4. Battlefield Medicine (if Seti can be used for this purpose within 2 turns)

5. Wall Street.

[E_T]

I had voted No, because of the fact, that this bill is too restrictive on were we want the Place to go.

I Imagine that this is the case of several people who had voted.

As I had stated in the begining of this Bill, we should have the bill ONLY for using him for the Palace move. As it stand right now, we can not proceed until we have a proper knowledge of WHAT the Senate wants him to do.

We need 2 bills at this time, 1 for using him for another Army, and one for using him for the Palace move. Link them together, so that people will vote in both. If you vote yes in one, you should vote no in the other.

But needless to say, we need to get this resolved, before the game can move on. As it currently stands, any bill that is posted today, will take us to Monday to resolve.

Let's get to it.

E_T

[joncnunn]

I'd have voted No on any bill that left it too open as to which city got the Palace.

If everybody that votes Yes on Bill A votes No on Bill B, and everybody that votes Yes on Bill B votes No on Bill A, then we could easily have both bills going down from people voting No on both.

Some people will need to vote Yes on both to ensure that at least one option passes.

[Panag]

hi ,

, what are the exact benefits of a move , .....

has anyone made the calculations yet

have a nice day

[CiverDan]

I havent had time to do the necessary calculations. As for the bill itself, I personally feel There should have been a first bill to decide whether we wanted it for a Palace, then a second bill for location (I didnt object to the original bill mainly because I wanted the Palace in Macross City). By the way, if we were to use it for an Army, DO NOT build him jut to disband him. We couldn't use those shields for wonders and it lengthens the time required to get the Pentagon. Please no more Cav in Armies, save any new armies for MA.

[joncnunn]

Panag, the P - FP with fixed FP problem is in the general type of problems where a close aproxiation is obvious at a glance, but proofing it takes several hours of calculation.

And unless I'm missing massive shortcut in the calculation this,
it's a 2N + 3((N - 1) ^ N) problem ->
O(N ^ N) ->
In the set of NP problems.

1. Raw shield production and Raw commerce is calculated for every city. (Disregarding corruption / waste)

2. The effect of the FP on net produciton is calculated for every city.

3. For every city other than the FP location [already known from #2] pretend the palace is in it for the loop.

A. Then The effect of the palace is calculated for every city in the empire.

B . Max production between the #2 for that city and #3A of that city is chosen.

C. Summation of all 3B results.

[joncnunn]

I'm counting 50 cities in our empire.

2(50) + 3 ((50 - 1) ^ 50) =

100 + 3 (49 ^ 50) =

100 + 3 * (3.23E+84) =

9.70E+84

This would take even a computer some time to process.

[Arnelos]

This bill has failed.

Senators... PLEASE debate options for a new bill and please forward such a bill quickly so that the 3 days for it can go by and we can get on with the game.

Thank You

[Aggie]

Lets just discuss options in a chat, no need for a lengthy bill process. Lets have a 2 hr chat devoted to this a "senate session", then arrive at a concensus. Delaying the game more is unacceptable.
Aggie

[joncnunn]

I've listed every option I saw under multiple threads as an unoffical thread so that we will have a better idea on which choices a bill could be passed on.

Originally posted by Arnelos
This bill has failed.

Senators... PLEASE debate options for a new bill and please forward such a bill quickly so that the 3 days for it can go by and we can get on with the game.

Thank You

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Aggie
Lets just discuss options in a chat, no need for a lengthy bill process. Lets have a 2 hr chat devoted to this a "senate session", then arrive at a concensus. Delaying the game more is unacceptable.
Aggie

Aggie, we have no choice. The NewCon requires for the Senate to decide and the Senate's method of decision-making is to pass a bill.

Even if the Senate, in its wisdom, were to pass a constitutional ammendment changing the method by which we decide what to do with GL's (HINT! HINT! HINT!), that would take 10 days and then only be useful when the NEXT great leader came around.

So it's going to be at least 3 days.

[Aggie]

That is incorrect arnelos, the senate must decide, there is NOTHING that says it must decide by poll.
Aggie

[Panag]

Originally posted by Aggie
That is incorrect arnelos, the senate must decide, there is NOTHING that says it must decide by poll.
Aggie

hi ,

, the best would be when people vote without holding there identity , just posting in a thread the vote , wheter its yes or no or abstain , .....

so what is the fastest legal way to decide , ....

have a nice day