Discussion: A Compromise to the Worker Integration Arguments

[joncnunn]

Polution only appears within 3 tiles of the offending city; we only have to worry about AI cities very close to our borders causing polution inside our territory.

What's messured world wide that could cause harmful effects on us is global warming, but ire-irrigating a tile with irrigation that was changed via global warming is much cheaper than clearing polution.

[Spiffor]

Actually, I was in favor of keeping 30 natives, because improving all tiles around a conquered city takes approx 25 natives during 2 turns (based on a gross generalization of what we need for the next German cities we invade).
Time will tell how many natives we need. Shiber explained why producing workers in late industrial / modern times was a waste, so I prefer having too many natonals to begin with, and downsize them after (the other way around would be to waste a precious turn and it's 50 odd shields in a city to build a mere 10 shields worker)

[GodKing]

Can someone tell me how many native & how many foreign workers there are in total?

[Spiffor]

82 natives
67 slaves, including

33 French
12 Persians
8 Babylonians
5 Americans
3 Greeks
3 Germans
2 English
1 Roman

You can see this information (as well as our population needs) in the Worker Integration Project thread. You can also see our immediate and longer term needs there.

[joncnunn]

In my games, there's very few tiles in conquered territory that need imporvements in the industrial era, but I don't destroy nearly as much improvements while conquering as is going on here.

[roadcage]

My current pollution estimate at peak prior to mass transit is:

50 cities * (20 pop-12pop+2)/100 = 5 tiles per turn

Looking at our land mix, we are significantly grass/plains/etc rich so 6 WU /tile is conservitive but will use 7 WU /tile

5 * 7 =35 WU
or 35 foreign builts
or 17.5 say 18 nationals

[Shiber]

Roadcage, I agree with your estimate but I still think we should keep 30 domestic workers around. We'll need some workers to improve conquered Germany (building railroads and such) and the SMC may ask to reserve some workers for tactical operations in the future. Better safe than sorry.

[joncnunn]

I have slightly different result than Roadcage.
We're blessed with cities that we will have a hard time keeping down to just 20 even mining all grassland tiles.

50 cities * (22 pop - 12 + 2) / 100 =

50 * 12 / 100 = 6 tiles per turn.

For 6 WU, we get 36 WU. 18 nationals.
For 7 WU, we get 42 WU. 21 nationals.
For 8 WU, get get 48 WU. 24 nationals.

I'm comfortable at the 6 WU/tile given the lay of the land.