Emanciptation: Discussion and Pre-poll

[Kloreep]

It's about time we set the workers free. There are plenty of cities that can accept slaves from the country (Oak Ridge, for one), and Hospitals will provide an opportunity for further integration.

Several points we should discuss:
1. Are we for emancipation?
2. If so, how much are we willing to spend toward it? (We have so many slaves, we may have to build some domestic workers to free up space in our cities if we want them all set free NOW. Otherwise, we'll have to wait for hospitals to start coming on-line, which will take a while.)
3. If so, what form do want it to take? (Completely unofficial effort by Spiffor and the RAs, powerless senate bill in conjunction with that, or a full-blown amendment that orders emancipation and maybe prevents us from taking more slaves later on.)

[Nimitz]

Yes lets free the oppressed slaves they have rights to we must at least pay them a far wage.

[Shiber]

On the contrary, we should allow our domestic workers to return home to their families and keep the slaves in the fields.
I say we gradually allow our domestic workers to join cities. Their long-term work contracts are about to expire.
Now that we have replaceable parts and our workers work twice as fast, and now that we are about to receive many new slaves from Germany, we will no longer be dependant on a domestic work force and we'll be able to completely rely on slaves.

[Nimitz]

You do know your charter is for freeing the slaves.

[Kloreep]

[RP]
Are slaves not workers? Have they not worked toward everything that makes this nation great? Have they not suffered enough for their former, greedy leader's sins?

This is a great nation. Not only can we afford to treat all as equals, it is something we must do. These slaves are part of the conquered; they are now part of Apolytonia, even if they do not willingly acknowledge that. Give them rights; let them create their own jobs, food, and shelter. Only when they are full citizens will they be glad of their Apolytonian membership - which is as it should be; how can anyone recognize the greatness of our nation when it is obscured by the whip of oppression?
[/RP]

I guess a lot of this argument may be RP. After all, there is no real in-game reason to free slaves (unless they belonged to an ally, in which case you should integreate them so as not to tick off said ally).

[Nimitz]

Originally posted by Kloreep
[RP]
Are slaves not workers? Have they not worked toward everything that makes this nation great? Have they not suffered enough for their former, greedy leader's sins?

This is a great nation. Not only can we afford to treat all as equals, it is something we must do. These slaves are part of the conquered; they are now part of Apolytonia, even if they do not willingly acknowledge that. Give them rights; let them create their own jobs, food, and shelter. Only when they are full citizens will they be glad of their Apolytonian membership - which is as it should be; how can anyone recognize the greatness of our nation when it is obscured by the whip of oppression?
[/RP]

Here Here, I agree only when we stop oppressing them will they truely learn the greatness of our nation the fact we can be gracius and kind to the concored and make them apolytonian.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by Nimitz
You do know your charter is for freeing the slaves.

I may be a member of ALP but I'm also a nationalist (only in-game, of course).

[E_T]

Send the Native Workers home. Keep the slaves

As soon as a city increase to size 13, add one Native Worker to it and let the Granary Refill normally for the next pop increase. THis way we get the added benifits of the extra trade & the reduced drain on our economy. Keep the Slaves to take care of Pollution & Global Warming. Keep a few Natives for SMC purposes (a boat load of Natives will be needed for the Zulu Conquest).

E_T

[Shiber]

Originally posted by E_T
Keep a few Natives for SMC purposes (a boat load of Natives will be needed for the Zulu Conquest).

Good point! You're right.

[jdd2007]

We need to keep some workers obviously, but I dont have any objections to 'freeing' a great number, because the cities can always use more factory workers...

[Aidun]

As a liberal I say that every Apolytonian, citizen or slave, must be equal before the law. As slaves do not have the same rights as citizens, slavery must be forbidden and ALL slaves must be freed form slavery. Denying the rights of citizenship to an amount of slaves, for dark purposes can not be allowed!
Apolytonia should be a constitutional state and cannot be so until all slaves are freed!

As an industrialist I say that slaves are inferior workers. They are not as well educated as our free domestic workforce is and are thus less suited for work. Letting them become citizen gives them the chance to get education at our schools and perhaps even study at our great universities. By this way we can make them more useful.

About German slaves I suggest this: let us deny them the right to become citizen as long as the war with Germany goes on. As slaves they cannot riot and we don't get trouble of them. But AS SOON AS the war is over and Germany doesn't exist anymore they should ALL be given the citizenship without any comments.

[Hot_Enamel]

Think of the Slave Handlers ?
And the Whip Makers ?

Keep the slaves as free labour.

[Aidun]

Originally posted by Hot_Enamel
Think of the Slave Handlers ?
And the Whip Makers ?

Keep the slaves as free labour.

Those undemocratic oppressors? The ones who ill-treat people who deserve freedom as much as you and I do?
Those who become rich over the backs of others who are too weak to resist?
Let them start a fair business! They should be lucky not to be condemned!
All Apolytonians MUST be equal before law, or do we want a French Revolution? The ALP is certainly capable to stir the people up against the government.

[pikesfan]

We should at least emancipate the French and American slaves as they have no home any more and no government to protest their living conditions.

[Aidun]

The discussion continues in the opinion poll thread.