Confirmation of panag as VP

[Shiber]

Sheesh.
I'm not going to reply to such childish arguments. The poll will end soon, Panag will still be out of office, this thread will die.
I rest my case. However, you SABRA can go on if you'd like.

Meshelic, many thanks for defending me against SABRA's accusations but there's really no need. I feel that everyone who is in his right mind can read SABRA's posts and realize that such accusations are not only false and sometimes undemocratic, but intolerable, and that this argument has no place in a fine forum such as this. I know SABRA would stop if I just stopped answering back to his attacks, so I intend to do just that.

Edit: I'm sorry for this, but I need to clarify that I wrote my last two posts before I read Meshelic's post. They're very long, as you can see, and Meshelic must have "cross-posted" while I was writing my posts.

[SABRA]

Originally posted by Shiber
Sheesh.
I'm not going to reply to such childish arguments. The poll will end soon, Panag will still be out of office, this thread will die.
I rest my case. However, you SABRA can go on if you'd like.

Meshelic, many thanks for defending me against SABRA's accusations but there's really no need. I feel that everyone who is in his right mind can read SABRA's posts and realize that such accusations are not only false and sometimes undemocratic, but intolerable, and that this argument has no place in a fine forum such as this. I know SABRA would stop if I just stopped answering back to his attacks, so I intend to do just that.

But like always you must have the last word , you just simply cant stand it that someone might be better then you or might be right .
In the end your only goal is to turn as many people as you can can against each other , preferably against panag . If you find certain things not tolerable or democratical then dont post them yourself . Fine forum ? yes indeed until you posted your worms .
And that shall be my last post here .

[Aro]

Shiber, I rarely disagree with you (hmm... I said the same in another thread, recently... ), and I can understand your point. Panag's sense of humor is... how can I say... very... hmm... very panagian , sometimes. Moreover, I agree that he's a little vague many, many times...

However, one of the better things in this game is our "biodiversity" . Panag is one of our specimens, as all of us. With his own style. I like him.
He deserves a try, IMHO

Note:

Originally posted by SABRA

...And that shall be my last post here .

Is this a promise?

[Panag]

hi ,



intresting , .......

have a nice day

[GodKing]

Just in case anybody asks - I did vote yes after some hesitation (about 30 seconds from my first post). I am willing to give anyone a chance, particularly as so few were willing to do the job in the first place.

GK

[Togas]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
Togas, how can someone demonstrate the ability to lead without first having the chance?

In a deputy role, RA role, or other advisory role would be a start.

The VP is a serious job. Most of our past Presidents have had some issue come up during their term where their VP has had to take over. We should approve or dissaprove the candidate based on one issue alone:

"Would he be an appropriate President?"

This is not about charity or giving a long time member his "chance." This is not about personalities or quirks. If you vote "yes" then you want this nominee to be your President if and when something happen to Arnelos.

--Togas

[Shiber]

Couldn't have put it better myself.

[Aro]

Originally posted by Togas


In a deputy role, RA role, or other advisory role would be a start.

The VP is a serious job. Most of our past Presidents have had some issue come up during their term where their VP has had to take over. We should approve or dissaprove the candidate based on one issue alone:

"Would he be an appropriate President?"

This is not about charity or giving a long time member his "chance." This is not about personalities or quirks. If you vote "yes" then you want this nominee to be your President if and when something happen to Arnelos.

--Togas

There's no charity involved. I voted yes, and I meant it... . Arnelos invited Panag, Panag accepted and we are voting and discussing. If this poll fails, Arnelos will nominate someone else. Panag likes to do the things in his own way (seems weird for many people, but not for me), and, like everybody here, will do his best. Exactly like me or you, Togas (well, this isn't true: you are experienced and proved yourself in the office. I'm still green, innocent and virginal. ).

Peace, brother...Give Panag a chance!

[Shiber]

Originally posted by Aro
Peace, brother...Give Panag a chance!

I always liked your sense of humor Aro.

[DAVOUT]

Many people should be reminded that they are not asked here to choose a VP; the President chooses the VP. The Senate is only required to approve the Presidents choice. On what ground should this approval be made ? Since the qualities and talents of the VP are left to the President, the Senate can only object on the basis of proven misconduct in the most sensible fields such as playing ahead, or breaking the law.

It would be strange that the first decision made (the choice of the VP) by a new President be overruled for managerial reasons; but it is not stupid to offer to the Senate a veto, if for instance the applicant was caught playing ahead X terms before, facts which could not be known by the President.

So, if the VP choosen by Arnelos has never acted against the game, he must be approved. If you feel that the VP has never acted positively for the game, it is too bad for Arnelos : he will have to overcome the supposed weakness of his VP.

From what I have seen from Arnelos in action, I am quite confident that he will monitor closely and efficiently a green VP.

[Meshelic]

I don't have a clue at all what Sabra meant by that "meshelic when you were born in a nice palace house" statement, but I'll let it drop.

I was about to post a quarter-page of responses, but that would have been pointless and fuel for the fire.

I just want to see this end. I'm not new to these kind of "negotiations" at all, and Sabra I resent some of the things you said directed at Shiber. I will not apologize for Shiber either. If he wants to he can, if he doesn't want to: well that's his right and he is simply stating more obviously what many other people are feeling.

Why else would the poll up top have so many "no" votes? Shiber couldn't possibly have voted nay 13 times....

Ok I'm done. Move along folks, there's nothing more to see here.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Many people should be reminded that they are not asked here to choose a VP; the President chooses the VP. The Senate is only required to approve the Presidents choice. On what ground should this approval be made ? Since the qualities and talents of the VP are left to the President, the Senate can only object on the basis of proven misconduct in the most sensible fields such as playing ahead, or breaking the law.

It would be strange that the first decision made (the choice of the VP) by a new President be overruled for managerial reasons; but it is not stupid to offer to the Senate a veto, if for instance the applicant was caught playing ahead X terms before, facts which could not be known by the President.

So, if the VP choosen by Arnelos has never acted against the game, he must be approved. If you feel that the VP has never acted positively for the game, it is too bad for Arnelos : he will have to overcome the supposed weakness of his VP.

From what I have seen from Arnelos in action, I am quite confident that he will monitor closely and efficiently a green VP.

Interestingly, I actually don't agree with your argument here (yeah, I know that doesn't help me, but that's beside the point). I think the Senate is perfectly within its rights to oppose a Vice Presidential choice or my Court appointments for political reasons. In either case (Court nominees or Vice Presidential nominees), if a nominee fails, I just forward another one and see if the Senate is willing to accept that one. I'll grant that this has the potential to get out of control if the Senate kills every single nominee I send them, but I find that possibility unlikely.

[ManicStarSeed]

WOW

What a ride.


I think I'm gonna it on this here bench for a while.

Mss

[Shiber]

Originally posted by Meshelic
Shiber couldn't possibly have voted nay 13 times....

Good. That's exactly what I want you all to think.

/me smiles mysteriously and then disappears into the shadows, laughing frantically. A thud followed by an obscene curse is heard out of the shadows a moment later, when Shiber, who was until a moment ago completely concentrated on laughing frantically and looking mysterious, bumps into the trunk of a tree that stood unseen inside the shadows.

Edit: fixed a typo. I misspelled obscene. Oh, the horror!!

[Panag]

Originally posted by Shiber


Good. That's exactly what I want you all to think.

* Shiber smiles mysteriously and then disappears into the shadows, laughing frantically. A thud followed by an obsene curse is heard out of the shadows a moment later, when Shiber, who was until a moment ago completely concentrated on laughing frantically and looking mysterious, bumps into the trunk of a tree that stood unseen inside the shadows.

hi ,

héhéh

have a nice day

panag > continues to plant trees for clean air