Embassy of Elucidia

[dannyevilcat]

oops, the CFC refuge thing is from when I was a CFC regular and it went down for a few days during the great domain registration crisis. Forgot I had that still on there

I'll change it.

And DAPP is often labelled "war-mongers" by our opponents... we tried to fool them with our friendly name and slogans ("Oppression by choice isn't oppression, is it?" and "Oppression... it sounds like "opossum" doesn't it? And who can resist those cute lil fellers?") , but our citizens seem to see right through it

[Arnelos]

There are so many parties in Apolytonian history that I'm honestly not aware of all of them.

The most important thing about party politics around here is that the VAST MAJORITY of people are not members of any political party and elections around here have become very personality-driven rather than party-driven. That said, the parties have at times been relevant for policy discussions, key votes on policy issues, occassionally making the difference in getting someone elected, and other such things.

As for the parties we have NOW:

Democratic Industrialists of Apolyton (DIA). The DIA was formed back in June as a coalition of various builder-style and democratic-leaning parties opposed to the then seemingly dominant "Imperialist Party". The DIA is the longest surviving party, but has not always had very much political strength. It is the party that has traditionally championed builder strategies, been shy about warfare (though not always opposed to it), and the changing of government type to republic and democracy. Most of its original membership is actually still around, but some of them are now lurkers or inactive.

The Hawk Party is something of a descendant of the Imperialist Party (by way of another hawkish party in between), but is more strictly dedicated to being purely hawkish than other "right-wing" parties. Basically, they've promoted the growth and advancement of the nation through war, as many wars as possible as often as is reasonable (taking time to build ourselves up between conflicts). While their membership of dedicated "let's kill everyone" hawks has been small, they've historically done very well at convincing many of the independents to join in voting in favor of several major wars (though some of them the DIA didn't oppose). Most of their major leaders have gone inactive, left, or become lurkers, so the party is (at best) on life support.

The Labor Party was founded just last week by a former leader of the Hawk Party. They now have 6 members, all of whom other than the party founder/leader have never before been in a party here (as far as I know). They basically mix a VERY leftist domestic policy with a seemingly hawkish foreign policy. There are hints that some in the party wouldn't mind a switch to communism, but I'm pretty sure they'd get drowned out in any attempt to get such a measure passed in the Senate

All of the above said, it's still the case that the vast majority of people here are independents. The parties have certainly had an influence on Apolytonian history, but its mostly been from being fairly consistent in policy debates and winning support from independents on policies on a case-by-case basis. It's also the case that any citizen (whether the member of a party or an independent) has an equal ability to post an impressive argument and gather support around any given policy... so parties have none of the media advantages they have in real life... and it's best that way (when population is so small). The parties have been useful for sparking debate and discussion, but haven't been able to monopolize candidacy for office or access to mass media.

[dannyevilcat]

The Labor Party mmmm? Sounds like DAPPs ideological brethren over here. I'll have to keep an eye out for them

Our game is still very young, but so far it seems we have two solid parties established and it looks like they are going to play major roles in the future. The other party is called the Elucidian Libertarian Front, and they are too moderate and fair to know what is best for our people...

Anyway, happy holidays everyone.

[Duddha]

There are so many parties in Apolytonian history that I'm honestly not aware of all of them

Being that i'm one of the only people around here to have seen the enire history of Apolytonian politics I'll clarify and add to what Arnelos said.

The Democratic Industialist Party. Arnelos' description is correct, however he did not mention that the DIA was founded by Timeline with an igoistic intent, just like the Imperialists. Timeline is gone now and Arnelos has done much to revive the party. While the DIA claims to oppose war ideologicly it has never actually formaly oppose a war, which were usually promoted by the Hawks.(As a former Hawk I must say that they were usually push-overs)

The Imperialist were formed by Trip, who used the party for his political benefit (becoming the first President). They generaly acted as a center-right party only supporting beneficial "expansion".

The Hawks were always a collection of like minded individuals with no clear leader, besides mabye Uberkrux. Like Arnelos said the Hawks were a far-right party that suprisingly held more sway in the direction of the game than its party roster would suggest.

An important historical note is that the Hawks and Imperialists formed a coalition, known as the United Front Coalition(funny name) against the DIA (My idea!). After the first term the coalition died because of election controversy in the Trip(UFC) vs Nnot(DIA) election that ended in a virtual tie! Trip stepped down and largly left the game ending the Imperialist party and the UFC.

Parties experienced their greatest power during the UFC vs. DIA period with most elections being controlled and defined by party machinery and rivialry.

Many smaller parties also existed but never seemed to last longer than a month. Examples

The Anarchist party: opposed to any form of a constitution. Lateer merged with the Imperialists.

The Nationalist party: ultra-right, merged with the Hawk party when it joined the UFC.

No-Name party: it had no name, an early attempt at an independants (mederate) party, later the Independant party and several others, all died.

And some psuedo parties formed with specific goals.

The Apolytonian Racial Elitist: radical group founded by me with the stated goal of purifying the Apolytonian blood line. Aka kill foreigners (computer foreigners).

The Apolytonian Republican Front: stated goal of turning Apolyton into a Republic, followed by the Apolytonian Democratic Front. The Apolytonian Despotic Front formed in reponse.

As Arnoles mentioned the Labor party in the newest addition to Apolytonian history.

Even with the interesting political history of Apolyton most members have and will remian independants.

[Arnelos]

You forgot Tassadar's socialist party

[Duddha]

You forgot Tassadar's socialist party

oh yeah, the time is now ripe for a communist party.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Duddha


oh yeah, the time is now ripe for a communist party.

pfft. Just join Meshelic's "Labor Party", they're all closet commie pinkos anyway

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by Arnelos
pfft. Just join Meshelic's "Labor Party", they're all closet commie pinkos anyway

I'm actually beginning to believe our chairman's talk of DIA propaganda.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Kloreep


I'm actually beginning to believe our chairman's talk of DIA propaganda.

If we're the tree-hugging peacenik party and the hawks are the brainless brute party, you get to the be the commie pinko party They're all terms of affection, of course.

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Arnelos


If we're the tree-hugging peacenik party and the hawks are the brainless brute party, you get to the be the commie pinko party They're all terms of affection, of course.

Only a hippie could think of using "pinko" in a description of something.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by Meshelic
Only a hippie could think of using "pinko" in a description of something.

"pinko" is a slanderous term to refer to communist in RL

[Panzer32]

Originally posted by Duddha
followed by the Apolytonian Democratic Front.

It was the Democratic Movement of Apolytonia!!!!

[Aro]

Originally posted by Arnelos


"pinko" is a slanderous term to refer to communist in RL

Peace, brother... Here, have a smoke of this banana peel. It's from the "special reserve" of ThePlagueRat himself...

[kentonio]

Winding up Commies is slanderous? damn, theres no fun left in the world these days McCarthy would turn in his grave I swear

Kentonio

[kentonio]

Merry Xmas one and all, from the peoples of Elucidia!

Kentonio