We can further increase the discount that they'll give us on tech or ivory by throwing a RoP into the deal, if the FAM approves.
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Originally posted by Shiber
The risks of signing an MPP ahead of time are too great. IMHO we should sign the treaty the same turn that we declare war and bite the bullet on war weariness. With 8 luxuries and cities that don't grow beyond size 12, we'll only have to use entertainers near the end of the war and I'm sure we can handle it.
Hell, we might get lucky and the other pact members will "betray" us and sign peace with Germany before the pact ends. But then again, I've read somewhere that there's a bug in 1.21 and 1.29 that causes you to take a rep hit whenever a treaty you're involved in is broken, even if an AI has broken it.
ahem , why dont we take lux no 8 , .....
and the cities that have unhappy people in them could make a worker , .....
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The whole purpose of getting an 8th resource is so that we won't have to turn workforce into workers and delay the completion of important city improvements."Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
And the truth isn't what you want to see,
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Originally posted by Shiber
The whole purpose of getting an 8th resource is so that we won't have to turn workforce into workers and delay the completion of important city improvements.
only one or two , ...... they can be used to build RR and other stuff , and we can always let them join later , ...
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Now that we are about to acquire the ability to build railroads, the domestic minister might want us to start producing workers. However, this is not the solution for war weariness since we'd still want to have large populations in our cities to complete improvements faster. It seems to me that the favorable solution is to try to get ivory for a decent price. With ivory, our large cities can continue as usual without turning workforce into specialists or workers and thus keeping production on full speed. They'll even enjoy WLTPD throughout about half of the war."Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
And the truth isn't what you want to see,
Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
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Originally posted by Shiber
Now that we are about to acquire the ability to build railroads, the domestic minister might want us to start producing workers. However, this is not the solution for war weariness since we'd still want to have large populations in our cities to complete improvements faster. It seems to me that the favorable solution is to try to get ivory for a decent price. With ivory, our large cities can continue as usual without turning workforce into specialists or workers and thus keeping production on full speed. They'll even enjoy WLTPD throughout about half of the war.
, consider those workers a long time investment , with very fast results , ........
and we could always hurry here and there , .....
why propose this ; many shall ask , well the great banana has a gut feeling we are going to have loads of pollution , forests that need to be planted , mines and railroads to be carved out , some workers shall need to join other cities with to many "species" in them , and last but not least we are going to go for a lot of wars , ......
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Panag, I have no doubt that we'll need those workers, but building workers is not the proper way to combat war weariness.
Besides, we're better off building our workers in the conquered German cities. That way we'll get German workers (aka slaves) which work only half as fast but don't cost maintenance at all!"Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
And the truth isn't what you want to see,
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Originally posted by Shiber
Panag, I have no doubt that we'll need those workers, but building workers is not the proper way to combat war weariness.
Besides, we're better off building our workers in the conquered German cities. That way we'll get German workers (aka slaves) which work only half as fast but don't cost maintenance at all!
well those germans shall need to be moved , twice as the time needed to move them
we are better of selling them , in true slave spirit
its not a solution , but it shall do the job , a worker here and there , .....
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With the current state of our Cities, size & happiness wise, we should be able to maintain an offensive War for about 20 turns without resorting to extreme measures (i.e. specialist). We WILL lose WLKD is a few of our Larger cities, but we have Powerful Cathedrals in all of the main cities.
My greatest fear is that we lose the 3 Imported Luxes at a most inopertune time, through them declaring on us or through a Trade embargo. THIS is the main reason that I'll be building Coloseums before Hospitals (of shortly afterwards, depending on the circumstances), to buffer this possibility.
We have 74 'Native' Workers currently, with a few more to come online shortly. We should be O.K. for workers for now.
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Originally posted by E_T
With the current state of our Cities, size & happiness wise, we should be able to maintain an offensive War for about 20 turns without resorting to extreme measures (i.e. specialist). We WILL lose WLKD is a few of our Larger cities, but we have Powerful Cathedrals in all of the main cities.
My greatest fear is that we lose the 3 Imported Luxes at a most inopertune time, through them declaring on us or through a Trade embargo. THIS is the main reason that I'll be building Coloseums before Hospitals (of shortly afterwards, depending on the circumstances), to buffer this possibility.
We have 74 'Native' Workers currently, with a few more to come online shortly. We should be O.K. for workers for now.
E_T
indeed we should get coloseums right after hospitals if that aint done yet , .....
, a trade embargo is something we dont need , ....
could any one make a serious prognosis ?
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Actually, colloseums should come before hospitals IMHO. We should start working on colloseums in every city immediately after it finishes its bank and university."Close your eyes, for your eyes will only tell the truth,
And the truth isn't what you want to see,
Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
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Canyontree, We haven't even starting build rail roads yet, we will very quickly need as many workers & slaves as we can get our hands on.
Shiber, We are currently trading for enough luxaries to wait for Colloseums until pop 14 or 15 even if we didn't have Sistine Chapel.
On MPPs, Don't sign MPPs more than 1 turn in advance. Tie an RoP into every MPP to make the deal more profitable for us. (I think the Civs may be willing to pay us for this.)
In addition, I think we should try to get a massive Trade Embargo set up against Germany. Usually this is a no money exchange operation or else a "can't be done" with nothing in between. For nations that tell is it can't be done, add them to the MPP list as well. Let's see Germany try to build anything with only local access to luxaries.1st C3DG Term 7 Science Advisor 1st C3DG Term 8 Domestic Minister
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