Official Poll on the Palace move decision

[roadcage]

I admit to voting for Timeline in the original polls. Thanks to ET it is now clear to me that that was a mistake. Please vote in the poll for the non
Timeline option of your choice. My personal choice is to delay,.

[Donegeal]

No, Shiber, we don't disagree. Everyone has the right to change their minds, I even said so in my last post here. I also agree that our choice of Timeline was wrong. However, I am going to refer to this poll time and again just to make everone aware of the fact that ET is going to take this game over. He's going to post spreadsheet after spreadsheet and fact after fact until everyone thinks his ideas are best.

And he is quite good at it. He is quite the charismatic person. Sorta reminds me of a german fellow from back in the 1930's and 40's....

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by donegeal
Once again, ET is attempting to force his will upon others. The Palace Location Commitee worked long and hard at deciding where things should be built. They already put up two polls to make the choice. Now ET is attempting to push both polls and all the work done by the commitee aside and to do his will.

This is a Democracy Game. The choice made by the people reguarding the Palace location was made long ago. Do not sucumb to the will of ET. Do not vote in this poll. It should not be considered valid or official.

"But the People have a right to change their mind."

This is a true statement. However, ET will re-poll and re-poll, and argue and argue until either he gets his way or he gets the power to do whatever he wants.

While I happen to be aligned with you on this particular issue concerning not moving the palace to far-off Macross City, I believe your comments regarding E_T and his intentions certainly cross the line.

Re-polls are prefectly permitted under the CoL and indeed they are permitted for precisely the reason that E_T has submitted this repoll (as roadcage has argued) - that a move of the palace to Timeline would be disadvantageous. This is the height of being a RESPONSIBLE CITIZEN. Would we honestly prefer that E_T simply have not attempted to even bother to bring up the issue again in light of information that makes our earlier decision disadvantageous???

But that's now what you're really getting at with your attack on E_T, now is it? I suspect this attack has more to do with the campaign for Domestic Minister than it has much to do with this specific poll, the posting of which is clearly in the national interest.

That said, I happen to be on the same side of this specific issue as you and others - we should keep the palace in Apolyton (or at the very least keep it very nearby to Apolyton - in Mingapulco Province or cities diretly adjoining it).

[Shiber]

Originally posted by donegeal
And he is quite good at it. He is quite the charismatic person. Sorta reminds me of a german fellow from back in the 1930's and 40's....

NOW you've crossed the line.

[Arnelos]

Originally posted by donegeal
And he is quite good at it. He is quite the charismatic person. Sorta reminds me of a german fellow from back in the 1930's and 40's....

Almight Banana!? Is there any depraved length you will NOT go to in order to attempt to slander E_T???

[roadcage]

I sense a court case brewing

[Donegeal]

What I was refering to is ET paricular path to power, not what his intentions are.

I am talking about him trying to charismaticly sway the opinion of a nation to a mistake. I was not accusing him of being that man or thinking like him. Some could undoutedly say the same thing about "a Texas fellow from around 2001 and 2002...." (as I am sure there are poeple who thought voting in Bush was a mistake. That he only won by winning votes because he was very charimatic during the last US presidential campaign).

[Shiber]

Charisma has nothing to do with the facts and figures that E_T has presented to us in his innovative () spreadsheets.
In any case, I don't see any reason of E_T trying to take over the game. He is one of the most hardworking citizens in this game, and though his outstanding participation might make it seem like he is trying to gain more power than he deserves he is actually being a responsible and devoted citizen.
I would be extremely surprised to find out that E_T actually has any ill intentions as you suggest.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by roadcage
I sense a court case brewing

I certainly hope that this issue will be resolved out of court. We
Besides, we don't want to turn into a nation of lawyers. (you see, it's ironic, because I'm a jew and this was kindof a Jewish joke... get it? HAHAHAHAHA!!! Uhh... nevermind.)

[UnOrthOdOx]

I just checked, the last poll was started 10-13, it ended 10-20, well over 21 days ago. If there is to be a court case, it should not be over E_T's right to start another poll on this subject, as he followed the repoll rules.

I choose not to comment on the other things.

[E_T]

Whoo, what a pot I've stirred.....

Donegeal, such comments. No, this would not be become a court issue, in any way, shape or form......And even though you've lapsed (because of PTW) your Pina Coloda RA position, I haven't made any moves to fire you, even now.

That said, I too had previously voted for Timelime. AT THE TIME, I wasn't fully aware of the complete aspects of the calculations for corruption, as I am now. I had thought that there was a middle ground where BOTH the Palace and the FP had overlaping influance and the corruption would be less in the middle areas. It wasn't until I had become MoCP that I had fully investigated the complete corruption issue. I had even asked Donegeal if he could try to work on a spreadsheet for me, while I was working on other things. He was unable to, because of not having a good mathamatical background and was sufficiently inexperianced with Excel to implement it ([shouting into the background] and one of Donegeal's claims is that I don't try to delegate some of my work[/shouting]).

After doing the initial spreadsheet, I was starting to have the feeling that we had made a mistake in our initial choice, but I didn't have actual verifiable facts, until I had just recently revamped my spreadsheet to include the FP. That's when the alarms started to go off and I had made my first posts about the issue and then provided the proof.

I have now left it up to the publics opinion to take this new information and make a new decision, based on the new facts. The final vote is up to them, I don't have any Brownshirts running around in the background. Nor have I fired anybody, just because they don't agree with the way that I've done somethings in their particular provences or that I might be wrong an any particular issue. As a matter of fact, I applude them, because that helps (at least I hope so) to keep me on my toes and keep aware of anything that I might have missed that has be already decided.

If I had wanted to take over this game, I'd just download the save and play it at home, without all of the headaches that would come from this position. Or I could cook up what ever information that I want the public to see, and then sway them via that kind of falsehood. The spreadsheets that I provide are for the publics benifit, so that they don't have to open the game every time that they want to know something about any issue that they might have. A Democracy runs best when the people are properly informed.

E_T

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Honestly, I don't want our capital city to be Macross City for the following reasons:

1) It's a French city.
2) It leaves the ENTIRE center of our empire out in the cold. (America's capital isn't centrally located.)
3) I don't really like the name Macross City.
and
4) It's French. (I can't stress that enough, I really don't like French things.)

The race is pretty close, its neck and neck and neck.

Now then, this thread is about moving the Palace, not who's running for what so we had better cool it before Ming sends some people to Mingapulco.

Ummm, that threat doesn't appear to hold as much bite here as most of us live in Mingapulco.........

[Meshelic]

I think Donegeal's bringing his alter-ego from the Glory of War team into Apolytonia! What witchery is this! He must be possessed....let us thus begin the 'cleansing' . muwahaha

Unorthodox's statement put it best:

I agree with Arnelos....
...or at least rename whatever city Apolyton...

[E_T]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Honestly, I don't want our capital city to be Macross City for the following reasons:

1) It's a French city.
2) It leaves the ENTIRE center of our empire out in the cold. (America's capital isn't centrally located.)
3) I don't really like the name Macross City.
and
4) It's French. (I can't stress that enough, I really don't like French things.)

The race is pretty close, its neck and neck and neck.

Now then, this thread is about moving the Palace, not who's running for what so we had better cool it before Ming sends some people to Mingapulco.

Ummm, that threat doesn't appear to hold as much bite here as most of us live in Mingapulco.........

There is NOT a single Frenchmen in Macross City, the Great Banana HAS prevailed over them. I beleave that he killed them off in the last wave of Jungle fever that washed through Macross City. What further proof do you need that it is HIS WILL for us to move our glorious Palace to that City.

Besides, City Names can be changed.

E_T

[Randolph]

Deleted to avoid embarrassment

Thanks Shiber