The State of the Nation, 770 AD: THE LOST CIVS SPECIAL EDITION!

[Randolph]

It was just speculation. How do you think a domestic industrious worker under democracy and after replaceable parts will work:

100%*200%*150%*200% = 600%
100% +100%+50% +100% = 350%

I’ve always thought that it was the second way in each case, but I certainly have no proof. It just seems strange to me that they would multiply, i.e. that a “doubling” bonus would have a greater absolute increase if there were already other bonuses in effect. Though if you’ve tested it than your probably right. I think I got the notion that they are added from my civ 1 strategy guide which, containing much more ‘mechanics’ info than any current strategy guide, showed them being added. Of course they could have changed the mechanics, or my memory could be failing me.

[FrustratedPoet]

Reddawg is a genius.

[Reddawg]

Whooaa, I don't know about this worker business, I haven't "tested". But... it seems to me that if a domestic worker gets our industrious bonus, it is going to be faster than a slave who gets the 50% penalty as well as our bonus. So domestic workers ARE still better.

But look at it this way: preserving these slaves is the only way of preserving their cultures. If we kill of the French, it won't be long before the last 150k or so French nationals in our cities are absorbed. The Americans will be gone even sooner. So these slaves just serve as a reminder of their cultures

MrWIA, I got your bet. Anyone else gonna place a bid???

Frustrated Poet, thx! I don't think I've ever seen you post here before.

[Reddawg]

There was a mistake in the Foreign Comparisons, I just fixed it. Here is what it says now:

Analysis: Population of the known world rose to 50,663,000 from 30,670,00 for a growth rate of 65.2%, or 105,200 people per year.
The most interesting facts are on the Lost Civs. India has a very sizable population, in fact it is third in the known world. I have strong reason to believe the Japanese population is larger, and I know now that they were the nation that we only surpassed about 5 turnchats ago. Thus I expect, once we discover them, that they will be second in the world in population.

[Shiber]

I didn't know that slaves do not require upkeep. I figured they do because you have to pay maintenance for their tools etc'.
Anyway, I'm glad to hear that I was wrong and I now support gradually replacing our domestic workers with slaves like Sir Ralph suggested.

[Reddawg]

I'm not sure any reworking of the Labor Force is worthwhile; in fact, I don't think it is at all.

[joncnunn]

I think we can use just about every single worker (both domestic & foreign) we can get our hands on currently.

We still have jungles to clear to eradicate the diseases that are plaging our nation.

Steam Power & Sanitation are also right around the corner. These will combine to make us need railroad everywhere within our cultural boundary. (Except on the very few squares outside all CRs)

Once those two major tasks are done, then it will be the time to retire our doemstic workers to cities followed by freeing slaves whose civ is completely gone (currently America, but some other civs may be added to this list) while retaining all other slaves for polution control.

[Sean]

joncnunn,

You are absolutely correct. We need as many workers as we can get, from where ever we can get them.

Sean.

[Reddawg]

Ok I guess it's true that once railroads are 100% done we can 'retire' the domestic part of our labor force; we'll always need some workers to clear pollution and such. I guess some slaves will suffice }:-p

[Reddawg]

((bump))
anyone else gonna wager what place Japan will be on the Major Power list?

[realpolitic]

5. Corruption is atrocious in the Persian Lands: in the Lowlands for instance, corruption outnumbers income by about 7:1!

How about building some workers from there?

[Reddawg]

humm I dunno... that'd be mainly up to the Public Works minister. I think there are more pressing things than workers/slaves.

[E_T]

Budget request for 820AD gameplay

We have 1128 Lytons with an Income of 552 LPT. The listed cost are for 820AD.

Perviously approved rushes:
New York - Cathedral for 220L. . Originally budgeted for 216L. Next Phase of Flip ‘em off. Subtract 8/Turn.
Willsbury - Court for 92L. Originally budgeted for 112L. Subtract 20/turn.
Total under budget = 16L.
These were not rushed because the 820 turn wasn’t complete and I had given Instructions that they were to be rushed at the end of the turn, in case the funds had to be used for other things.

Other Rushes Needed:
Muncie - Court for 124L. Subtract 32/turn. Last chance to rush will be in 840AD as a throughput rush for about 60L.
Bacteria - Court for 128L. Subtract 16/turn.
Antioch - Court for 164L. Subtract 8/turn.
Shiberport - Court for 192L. Subtract 12/turn.
Welsh Coast - Court for 196L. Subtract 4/turn.
Tarsus - Court for 204L. Subtract 4/turn.
Thebes - Court for 208L. Subtract 12/turn
Hole in the Wall - Court for 228L. Subtract 4/turn
Ghengistown - Court for 228L. Subtract 12/turn.
Napoleton - Court for 240L. Subtract 4/turn.
Susa - Court for 252L. Subtract 4/turn.
San Cortez - Court for 276L. Subtract 12/turn.

As New York & Willsbury already have been previously budgeted, they are only included to show the adjusted amount and for proper planning of additional funding.


As we are currently at war with France, I’m also requesting some funds that will be needed to rush (at least) one turn builds of Workers, Settlers & Temples in the newly Acquired Cities. As they will be under SMC control until they come out of Resistance, I have no Idea when these will occur. I also Request 75 to 150 Emergency Rush fund, to be used in case of Emergency. Both of these can be combined and used as needed, but only for Workers & Settlers (we are exploring combining two cities)

I would like to have the following, within the stated timeline:
turn 0: New York & Willsbury for 312L (previously approved)

turn 1: Muncie (92) & Bacteria (112) for a total of 204L.

turn 2: Antioch (148) & Shiberport (168) for a total of 316L.

turn 3: Welsh Coast(184) & Tarsus (192) for a total of 376L.

turn 4: Thebes (160) & Hole in the Wall (212) for a total of 372L.

turn 5: Ghengistown (168) & Napoleton (220) for a total of 388L.

turn 6 (next turnchat): Susa (228) & San Cortex (204) for a total of 432L.

Even though the FP should be complete in 12 turns, getting this list of Courthouses out of the way will go a long way to helping the next builds and our Economy. Some of them might be somewhat redundant at the start (because of proximity to the FP), but after the cities in question get some of the other Improvements, they would have needed the Courthouse at that time to be fully cost effective. So they aren’t a total waste.

As we have a few libraries and with more that will be coming online during the GA, could we have the Science slider % changed to take advantage of them? I’m fully aware that that could effect my budget, but we’ll need the tech to trade soon.

E_T

[E_T]

Budget Request for 870 Gameplay - REVISED

THIS HAS BEEN REVISED due to an Item that I missed and the decision by the MoIE to keep Avignon ( I was just about to post my first revised Budget request when I had seen his orders post)

I had also posted this in the Orders Thread. I'm including Aggies Requests, too.

Originally posted by Aggie
Since Reddawgs Mailbox is full, here are my money request
6 pike to Musket(on border)-360
1knight to calvary-20
Total = 380
A note, if an extra 40 can be found I would upgrade 2spear to musk on the border instead of just 6 pike(for a total of 2spear and 4pike to Musket-400)
Aggie

This also takes in to account the SMC Budget Requests.

We have 739 Lytons with an income of 368 LPT. SMC has requested 380 to 420 Lytons for Upgrades (which can be done over the next 5 turns). Approx. 84/turn - leaving 284/turn and assuming 300L cash Reserve for emergencies

Besancon - Settler for 116L, subtract 4/T - Will Abandon this City

Tours - Worker Farm, to be abandoned - Worker for 28L, subtract 4/T; 2 more after 1 turn builds for 36L each, subtract 4/T.
Grenobie - Worker Farm, to be abandoned - Worker after turn 1 for 28L, subtract 4/T, 2-4 more after 1 turn builds for 36L each, subtract 4/T.

Avignon - Temple for 116L after turn 1 , subtract 4/T.
Heliopolis - Temple for 116L, subtract 4/T
Site 3 City (to be built on turn 2) - after turn 3, Temple for 116L, subtract 4/T

New York - Courthouse for 260L, subtract 20/T
San Cortez - Courthouse for 236L, subtract 8/T
Susa - Courthouse for 232L, subtract 4/T
Hole in the Wall - Courthouse 208L, subtract 4/T
Ghengistown - Courthouse for 140L, subtract 20/T
Napoleton - Courthouse for 220L, Subtract 4/T.

Tarsus - Worker for 36L, subtract 4/T


Timeline of budget outlays:
Turn 0: 739L in Treasury at start
SMC - Spearman to Musket for 80L.
SMC - Knight to Cavalry for 20L.
Heliopolis - Temple for 116L
Ghengistown - Courthouse for 140L
Tours - Worker for 28L
Total for turn 0 - 284L + 100L(SMC) = 384L, leaving 355L in Treasury

Turn 1: 355 + 368 = 723L
SMC - Spearman to Musket for 80L.
Hole in the Wall - Courthouse for 204L
Grenobie - Worker for 28L
Tarsus - Worker for 32L
Total for turn 1 - 264L + 80L(SMC) = 344L, leaving 379L in Treasury

Turn 2: 379 - 368 = 747L
SMC - Pikeman to Musket for 60L
Besancon - Settler for 108L, abandoning City
San Cortez - Courthouse for 220L.
Total for turn 2 - 328L + 60L(SMC) = 388L, leaving 359L in Treasury

Turn 3: 359 + 368 = 727L
SMC - Pikeman to Musketman for 60L
New York - Courthouse for 200L
Avignon - Temple for 108L
Total for turn 3 - 308L + 60L(SMC) = 368L, leaving 359L in Treasury

Turn 4: 359 + 368L = 727L
SMC - Pikeman to Musketman for 60L
Napoleton - Courthouse for 204L.
Site 3 City - Temple for 112L
Tours - Worker for 28L
Grenobie - Worker for 32L
Total for turn 4 - 376L + 60L(SMC) = 436L, leaving 291L in Treasury

Turn 5: 291 + 368L = 659L
SMC - 2 Pikeman to Musketmen for 120L
Susa - Courthouse for 212L
Total for turn 5 - 212L + 120L(SMC) = 332L. leaving 327L in Treasury.


This Request is FINAL. I'm using this timeline for my orders, but will have them marked as not approved Yet

Also, we have 4 turns of Research on Democracy left to complete, We might be able to turn down the Science % in turn 1 or after (while still having complete on time), and that would release more funds to our Treasury on the following turns.

E_T