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  • The State of the Nation, 770 AD: THE LOST CIVS SPECIAL EDITION!

    This is a special "Lost Civs" edition of The State of the Nation report. Some processes have been reworked to incorporate the inclusion of China, Zululand, and India into the stats, and thus not all analysis is comparable to the last edition in 580 AD.


    SUMMARY:

    *The population of Apolytonia has swelled from 6,015,000 citizens in 580 AD to 9,898,000 citizens in 770 AD, a high growth rate of 64.6% that has maintained our position as most populous in the world! This is a rate of 20,436 people per year.
    *Chart 1: breakdown of labor force.
    *Macross City in the ÃŽle de Rose province is the official leading city of Apolyton, and is poised to become our first metropolis, with 815,000 citizens.
    *Our glorious capital Apolyton is the official commercial hub of the entire empire; it alone garners 34 lytons into our coffers each turn.
    *Apolyton is rivaled in industry by the recent Persian acquisition Contaginon, in the Persian Highlands province. Both cities produce 10 shields per turn; Contaginon will take the lead if corruption falls.
    *Chart 2: Ethnicity in Apolyton


    *Demographic highlights:
    -Apolyton's approval rating is the highest ever in its 5,000 year history, thanks to the influx of luxuries from the Lost Civs, and now stands at 88%!
    -The population of our nation continues to surpass that of all others, and is by far the largest in the world.
    -The disease, on a bad note, continues to plague (pun intended) our society, though it is down slightly to 18% (still worst in the world, but an all-time low).
    -The rest of the demographics speak of the sharp increase in both our industrial and commercial production. We are now first in the world in GDP, manufactured goods, average income, and productivity!

    Current Regional Comparisons:
    NOTE: these states are incomparable to previous State of the Nation addresses because of the new composition of the provinces.
    •Mingapulco Province(currently Apolyton, Termina, Tassagard, Banana HQ, Gotham, Timeline, Gaia, Chartres):
    2,477,000; 3.2% foreign (up); 25.0% of national population (down). 178 Lytons income; 65 shields output; 0 science output.

    •Principality of Piña Colada (currently Del Monte, Chiquita, New York, San Cortes):
    1,007,000; 19.9% foreign (up); 10.2% of national population (down). 34 Lytons income; 17 shields output; 0 science output.

    •El Niño Province (currently Loveshack, Seeberg, Ubergorsk, Geofront, Napoleton, Oak Ridge):
    1,029,000; 0.0% foreign (same); 10.4% of national population (same). 55 Lytons income; 22 shields output; 0 science output.

    •Île de Rose (currently Here It Is, Macross City, Jerusalem, Port Rouge, Opiadom):
    2,041,000; 6.5% foreign (down); 20.6% of national population (down). 78 Lytons income; 24 shields output; 0 science output.

    •Uber Island (currently Another Glorious City, Boomtown, Whelsh Coast, Shiber Port, Thebes, Neon Uber City):
    586,000; 0.0% foreign (same); 5.9% of national population (up). 27 Lytons income; 16 output; 0 science output.

    •Persian Highland (currently Antioch, Willsbury, Contaginon, Ghengistown, Port of Malignance):
    1,226,000; 12.6% foreign (down); 12.4% of national population (up). 37 Lytons income; 22 shields output; 0 science output.

    •Persian Lowland (currently Muncie, Bacteria, Susa, Tarsus, Arbela):
    1,306,000; 31.2% foreign (down); 13.2% of national population (up). 14 Lytons income; 11 output; 0 science output.

    •Siberia (currently Holeinwall):
    226,000; 0.0% foreign (same); 2.3% of national population (up). 1 Lytons income; 1 shields output; 0 science output.

    Analysis: see Chart 3, regional comparisons


    Foreign Comparisons:
    *note: these stats are estimates based off of averages and cannot be made any more accurate by way of current knowledge of the country (and without cheating) thus all numbers are approximate*
    ~France = 1.225.000
    ~Greece = 7.195.000
    ~Aztec = 3.215.000
    ~Persia = 565.000
    ~England = 4.585.000
    ~America = kaput.
    ~Germany = 4.810.000
    ~Russia = 4.155.000
    ~Babylon = 2.295.000
    ~Rome = 5.025.000
    ~Iroquois = 2.050.000
    ~India = 5.690.000
    ~Zululand = 2.895.000
    ~China = 1.870.000
    Analysis: Population of the known world rose to 50,663,000 from 30,670,00 for a growth rate of 65.2%, or 105,200 people per year.
    The most interesting facts are on the Lost Civs. India has a very sizable population, in fact it is third in the known world. I have strong reason to believe the Japanese population is larger, and I know now that they were the nation that we only surpassed about 5 turnchats ago. Thus I expect, once we discover them, that they will be second in the world in population.



    Population Density:
    *due to currently unavailable estimates of foreign nations' land area, density is based on average city size.
    ^Apolytonia = 247.500 per city
    ^France = 153.100 per city
    ^Greece = 399.700 per city
    ^Aztec = 178.600 per city
    ^Persia = 141.300 per city
    ^England = 271.900 per city
    ^America = in ruins
    ^Germany = 437.300 per city
    ^Russia = 346.300 per city
    ^Babylon = 459.000 per city
    ^Rome = 358.900 per city
    ^Iroquois = 205.000 per city
    ^India = 355.600 per city
    ^Zululand = 413.600 per city
    ^ China = 170.000 per city
    Analysis: Apolyton is finally increasing as far as city size, but remains secondary in this density factor. As the latest acquisitions and Uber Island grow, the density will take off. Note the high density of both India and, suprising, Zululand.


    Military Stats:
    *note:military stats are for the purpose of comparisons only, and are not absolute indications of strength; they are however adjusted to consider strength of units (to account for, example, that fact that 10 musketmen are better than 10 spearmen).*
    +Total offensive power in 430AD is 72(1 naval); defensive is 90(1 naval); mobility is 56(3 naval); bombardment is 12.
    +Total offensive power in 580AD is 93(1 naval); defensive is 129(1 naval); mobility is 78(3 naval); bombardment is 12.
    +Total offensive power in 770AD is 142(3 naval); defensive is 160(4 naval); mobility is 103(9 naval); bombardment is 12
    +Offensive power has grown a huge 52.7%.
    +Defensive power has grown a good 24.0%.
    +Mobility has grown a nice 32.1%.
    +The number of total units has risen to 81!

    Analysis: overall the military has taken leaps and bounds since the last State of the Nationa address; this is due almost completely to the fact that units have been upgraded (spearmen to musketmen, war chariots to knights, etc).

    MAJOR POWERS: (any nation with 15% more points than the mean; Japan still not listed):
    1. Apolyton, 81.1% above mean (astounding rise)
    2. Greece, 32.3% above mean (a small rise)
    3. India, 31.4% above mean
    4. Rome, 17.9% above mean
    *It is truly amazing how our nation is now dominating all other civs, to the point that we double the weakest powers! As expected, India qualifies as a major power; look for Japan to join the ranks, perhaps even above Greece. Rome also rejoins the ranks this time, by the skin of its teeth. There is again a multipolarity occuring.*

    MAJOR GROWERS: (any nation with 2% more growth than the mean; "lost civs" not listed):
    1. Apolyton, 19.9% above mean (a great rise)
    2. Aztecs, 5.8% above mean.
    *note: The superiority of Apolyton has remains painfully evident this time around. The growth of the Aztecs is no doubt due to their acquisitions during the American war. From now on, any major powers are going to have to go through drastic internal development, or large territorial conquest, in order to make this list.

    Overall Suggestions to Ministers:
    1. The lost civs final put a strong outside influence into the game that should be nice to play off of. Already the trade deals with the lost civs have taken a big effect; ministers should keep in mind these civs as well as prepare for Japan, which is going to be a Major Power.
    2. Apolyton is so far ahead of all others now that it may be prudent to maintain good relations with our neighbors; otherwise they may seek to topple us to restore the balance of power. Deals with India and later Japan may be in our best interest to deter the Abanaba powers from attacking us.
    3. The Aztecs have the potential to become a serious Major Power, and one that would threaten us more than any other. They should be watched carefully.
    4. It is possible that some of the second tier powers will seek to annex the weaker nations in an attempt to gain power; we should prevent this as it would cause us to face fewer, stronger states instead of many weaker and disjointed states.
    5. Corruption is atrocious in the Persian Lands: in the Lowlands for instance, corruption outnumbers income by about 7:1!

    *note: three charts follow*

    If you wish for any further or statistics, or have any questions, contact Reddawg, Minster of Economy.
    Attached Files
    Last edited by Reddawg; October 28, 2002, 10:21.
    Minister of the Economy: Term IV, V
    Ministre d'Économie: Session IV, V
    Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there aren't people following me!
    Même si je suis paranoïde, ça n'exige pas qu'il n'y a pas de gens qui me suivent!

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    Chart 2: Ethnicity.
    Attached Files
    Minister of the Economy: Term IV, V
    Ministre d'Économie: Session IV, V
    Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there aren't people following me!
    Même si je suis paranoïde, ça n'exige pas qu'il n'y a pas de gens qui me suivent!

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    • #3
      Chart 3: Regions.
      Attached Files
      Minister of the Economy: Term IV, V
      Ministre d'Économie: Session IV, V
      Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there aren't people following me!
      Même si je suis paranoïde, ça n'exige pas qu'il n'y a pas de gens qui me suivent!

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      • #4
        Impressive and interesting.

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        • #5
          Anyone care to make wagers on how far above the mean the Japanese will be on the Major Power list?? I'm taking friendly bids :-p

          I say 30%, and third in the world over all.
          Minister of the Economy: Term IV, V
          Ministre d'Économie: Session IV, V
          Just because I'm paranoid doesn't mean there aren't people following me!
          Même si je suis paranoïde, ça n'exige pas qu'il n'y a pas de gens qui me suivent!

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          • #6
            It's alarming that only 50% of our workers are domestic. Keep in mind people, that we pay as much upkeep for a domestic industrious worker as we pay for a foreign non-industrious slave.
            We need to gradually replace our slaves with domestic workers by joining slaves into cities and building domestic workers instead. Building a new worker costs 10 shields, but you save money in the long run because domestic workers cost as much upkeep but work faster, so you'd need less workers to complete the same jobs.
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            And the truth isn't what you want to see,
            Close your eyes, and let music set you free..."
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            • #7
              I always thought that you didnt need to pay upkeep for slaves.

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              • #8
                Slaves are for free and take over our industriousness. So a captured worker works for us as fast as a normal worker for a non-industrious civ with the difference, that he doesn't cost upkeep. Don't add the slaves, at the countrary, buy/capture more slaves and add our native workers to the cities.

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                • #9
                  Sir Ralph is correct. More sl.. eh ... foreign employees!
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                  • #10
                    Do they work at the same rate or at 75%? In other words is it: 1*(1- .5 + .5) or (1 - .5) *(1. + .5) (not sure that's the best way to write it, but it seems the most descriptive to me).

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                    • #11
                      It's 100% * 50% * 200% .

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Reddawg
                        Anyone care to make wagers on how far above the mean the Japanese will be on the Major Power list?? I'm taking friendly bids :-p

                        I say 30%, and third in the world over all.
                        I go for 25% and 3rd overall.

                        It must be hard being so alone.....
                        Consul.

                        Back to the ROOTS of addiction. My first missed poll!

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                        • #13
                          Have you tested that or is it just speculation? For some reason I though that the industrious bonus was 50% not 100%... guess I need to check myself more often. I also thought that all bonuses in civ added not multiplied such that (for say 6 defense, on hills and fortified) 6*(1 + 1 + .25) not 6*200%*125%... I'm rather sure this is true for attack/defense. Sorry I'm straying form the topic quite severely.

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                          • #14
                            Have you tested that or is it just speculation?

                            Other than production or defense bonuses, the industious workers have no bonus (which would be added), but work with doubled speed. The speed of captured workers is halved.

                            Thus:

                            100% = normal worker
                            100% * 200% = industrious worker (doubled speed)
                            100% * 50% = captured worker (halved speed)
                            100% * 50% * 200% = worker captured by an industrious civilization (doubled halved speed)

                            And yes, I and many others have tested it multiple times.

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                            • #15
                              I would much prefer foriegn workers, we just don't seem to have a steady supply. I'm planning on using the domestic workers to clear and road the jungle then join them back to cities and do the mining/irrigating with foreign nationals.

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