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[Sheik]

If we are a democracy, then we should be free. Yes?

If we are free, then are we not free to come and go as we please?

I am positive that a number of people lurk, and possibly vote from time to time, or not. That is their right, and it should be IMO.

There is no problem with a thread to gauge active members. There may be if any official conclusions are drawn from it.

For restricting electors? I don't think that would pass Constitutional muster. Either now or under the proposed NewCon. Freedom of speech must include the freedom to say nothing, IMO.

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The Quorom idea is interesting. As NYE has said freedom of speech means the freedom to say nothing. If we have a Quorum then a census does become useful. I wonder if it will really work or if the senate will have to make an amendment elimintaing quorums before anything else can be done.

[notyoueither]

The Senate is free to adjust quorum requirements by law. An amendment, and the higher bar for success would be unneeded.

[Meshelic]

So I'm assuming that nobody wants to know how many people are actually active and reading the posts every day (or every other day), or how many people are contributing their comments or statements to this nation.

I would have thought that those who rely on popular opinion (like all ministers, presidents, etc.) would have liked to know this, simply because this is supposed to be a democracy (people rule after all), but I guess no one cares about this.

[civman2000]

Protect Lurkers' Rights!!

I think the idea of a census is fine to use for teh quorum, but if something like the Ninot-Trip election comes up, it is detrimental. When some people dont vote (and that is inevitable), in close and important polls there might be more than teh census anda disaster results, which could lead to the removal of lurkers' votes.

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by civman2000
Protect Lurkers' Rights!!

I think the idea of a census is fine to use for teh quorum, but if something like the Ninot-Trip election comes up, it is detrimental. When some people dont vote (and that is inevitable), in close and important polls there might be more than teh census anda disaster results, which could lead to the removal of lurkers' votes.

I don't believe so. NOBODY'S votes may be removed unless some foul play is suspected in the vote!

I don't think I should have to repeat myself. All I wanted to know is how many people are PARTICIPATING REGULARLY in this democracy game (BEFORE or AFTER the elections does not matter at all. VOTES are not what matters, except to elect officials...OR In a 'voting' situation, all that matters is WHO DECIDES TO VOTE and WHO or WHAT THEY VOTE FOR.

Nobody can FAKE a vote.

Lurkers are more than welcome of course. I just wanted to know. I thought that people would be accepting of simply sending their name, or voting "YES I AM HERE" in a poll. That's ALL. But I guess I was wrong.

There WERE reasons that I wanted to know this, but I guess the majority has so far decided that it's probably not important enough at all. I feel that it IS important, and that we should be able to know how many people are really participating, whether it's 25, 50 or 300. I feel that it affects the gameplay QUITE a bit. But oh well, what do I know?

But if nobody wants to know how many members there are, then nobody necessarily needs to know why I wanted to know how many there were. I suppose this thread was pointless from the start. I didn't think it would be, but it didn't seem to draw quite the response I expected, so I guess the majority has decided.

[Meshelic]

Sorry if I sounded like an ass on that last post, I've just been aggravated by some things in my PL and I can't quite understand why this thread is having so much difficulty in getting responses from ppl. I thought the majority of the people would agree. Maybe I thought wrong.

[Kloreep]

I've been following this thread, but haven't commented on it simply because I didn't have much to say.

I think a census is a good idea (though the weekly censuses we used to have may have been a little extreme), and I'd be okay with regularly adjusting the quorum based on a census after the NewCon takes effect.

[Meshelic]

Alright, new day, things are looking brighter!

It isn't necessary for us to have a census every week (I can imagine that could be a nightmare), but I do think it would be worth it just to poll once or simply ask so we might know how many actual citizens there are here. There really are no downsides (or many benefits either).

I guess it's really no big deal in the end either way. Sorry to make such a fuss over something like this...

[Aggie]

I would like census at the begining of every term, just tosee how many participate.
Aggie

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by Aggie
I would like census at the begining of every term, just tosee how many participate.
Aggie

Thank you Aggie! At least someone seems to agree with me.

[Kloreep]

Maybe one between elections in the middle of the term as well, since some people might drop out/become less active after or between elections.

[Meshelic]

Too bad we don't have a 'live' counter that clocks how many people come and go each day. And I don't mean like a website counter, but something similar, where instead of counting the number of visits to a page, it tallies the regularity of those visits. That make sense?

[Skanky Burns]

Markos probably has access to stats like that. Possibly.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Heh, I would probably break that counter, as I generally have about 7 windows open to this forum.

I also generally abstain from census polls. Just plain lazy. I have allot that I am trying to keep up on, and am generally breaking in here in between doing other things. I don't need to be bothered by a census.

[civman2000]

Heh, I would probably break that counter, as I generally have about 7 windows open to this forum.

Only 7?? I normally have around 12!