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**GodKing** · October 17, 2002, 19:23

Meshelic -
Just for your information, and perhaps you may even find an old one, at the beginning of the demo game (5 terms ago now... wow, how time goes by....) we used to have a regular census. Most people got tired of it and it just dropped aside sometime in term two I think. It was done on a weekly basis, and often had general questions associated with it "Where in the world do you play from" kinda things.

Perhaps this is something we should consider restarting.

Oh, if this thread counts as it - HERE!!!

**Apocalypse** · October 17, 2002, 19:26

The problem is that even some of the most active people don't post or participate in these types of threads. Linney never voted in a single census poll.

**Meshelic** · October 17, 2002, 19:31

Well if it's a mute point then I'll drop it and this thread will end up in the graveyard. No big deal.

I'm not suggesting a weekly census or even one every term, I just thought an update would be a good idea in light of this fifth term.

And I wasn't saying there should be other general questions along with it. Just a simple list of names in one document, that's all...

**Apocalypse** · October 17, 2002, 19:36

There can be some type of census, I'm just saying it won't be complete.

**GodKing** · October 17, 2002, 19:44

No. It is a good idea. We should discuss this issue (else I would not have brought it up in the first place). Perhaps someone has a better one.

**notyoueither** · October 17, 2002, 19:55

If we are a democracy, then we should be free. Yes?

If we are free, then are we not free to come and go as we please?

I am positive that a number of people lurk, and possibly vote from time to time, or not. That is their right, and it should be IMO.

There is no problem with a thread to gauge active members. There may be if any official conclusions are drawn from it.

**Togas** · October 17, 2002, 19:58

Census

We added this into the NewCon:

Art II, Sec 2 e (iii) -- The Senate has the power to modify the quorum requirements or to perform a census without amending the Constitution."

Quorum was sticky. 25% of the Pres election wasn't the best way to do it. A Census would be better, but we didn't want to require it. So we added this in, and if the Senate (people) want to do a Census and change the Quorum # (required number of participants in a vote), it can easily be done.

I'm in favor of a Census. Maybe once a term? Maybe every other term? Could be a very useful piece of information, and it takes very little time to vote in it.

--Togas

**kring** · October 17, 2002, 20:40

I worked the US Census a couple of years ago; and agree that a census can be good, but also realize that it won't be 100%. Having worked the census IRL, you have people that don't want to be bothered, even if it was only for a few minutes, for any number of reasons.

I haven't posted here much lately, but I have voted in most polls and read a lot of the posts that interested me.

**GodKing** · October 17, 2002, 20:48

An idea:

Topped poll thread.

Vote consists of only one option "am here". This number determins quarum for that month.

People add one post, saying "here" if they like. When markG released the list of people who voted in the one election (which I think should not have been made public.... I will have to check on this issue in the new constitution, Judges/executive OK by me, just not public) we noted that many people had not joined "officially". the "Here"s could be used to do so in case something like this ever occures again. Yet if the Lurkers don't want to post, fine, so be it.

Just thinking out loud, so go ahead and rip this apart to make something better. I think it is an OK start but does need some work.

**notyoueither** · October 17, 2002, 20:54

For effecting quorum? OK. Most likely. But the Presidential election accomplishes the same thing.

For restricting electors? I don't think that would pass Constitutional muster. Either now or under the proposed NewCon. Freedom of speech must include the freedom to say nothing, IMO.

**GodKing** · October 17, 2002, 21:04

I wonder if this discussion can be combined with the one regarding quarum and a census?

Census poll - topped thread.

Vote: one option. # people who vote are quarum.

Posts: If you post, you are also a senator for that month. This will not keep anybody new from joining, make being a senator "something special", and we seperate the senators from the citizens by making senators the only one who can propose laws or something. The Prime Senator or whatever, can be a position elected by the senators to:
1) start discussions
2) represent the senate in chats
3) be the one to keep the senates records (haven't seen any talk about this one yet)
4) post the census thread for next month, and keep it updated (the person must be around for that month, or an election can be held by the senators just prior to)

this rough idea is slowly taking shape.... comments thoughts....etc

from my post in the other thread regarding the role of the senate.

**ixnay** · October 17, 2002, 21:11

I joined at the outset of the game. Then I emigrated to the Civ2Democracy game where I joined the government. I now lurk here often.

**Meshelic** · October 17, 2002, 21:17

I like your idea GK. One button that says "I am here" is simple enough and will probably have the result I was hoping to get.

Numbers are what I was looking for, not really member names. I don't really care about that. It may be useful somehow if others see it that way but I was just looking to see how many people are generally participating at any time.

**GhengisFarb™** · October 17, 2002, 21:23

Originally posted by ixnay37
I joined at the outset of the game. Then I emigrated to the Civ2Democracy game where I joined the government. I now lurk here often.

How can you lurk anywhere with an avatar like that?

Good idea GK.

Oh, and for the record I am not active on this board.

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