GL Creation: War with France

[CiverDan]

I agree on not attacking muskets with knights. It could take upwards of to a dozen knights to guarantee victory in a large city. Not worth it IMHO. Also with going to republic, we can't resonably expect to start a war, unless quick civ elimination is expected, w/o at least a short period (which could be longer) or war weariness unhappiness.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Now hang on a moment. Most seem to be associating a war with France to a GA as well as a GL. Keep in mind that we had a poll recently on whether to get the GA now or later. I haven't seen the poll today, but las I looked the option to delay was winning. The consensus amongst the delay-voters seems to be that we end America, develop our nation for a time, and then maybe aim for a GA with a war eg against France.

Now although a war with France during this time of development (Republic) is not completely impossible, keep in mind that such a war, if it happens before we have developed our cities a bit, then this is effectively against what I see the majority's wishes are. In other words, we need a poll beofre we decide on this.

[nz_upy]

The most advantageous thing that we gain from a war with France is access to the western shore and a better chance at finding the remaining civs (apart from their babies) aswell as removing a potential thorn from our side. Although in saying that I agree that a war at this time would do us far more harm than good as we go through the birthing pains of a new republic. We must first ensure a solid base from which we can become less reliant on the foreign scum for our own economic security and scientific wellbeing. Let the DIA rule for a season until the mighty Hawks can lead our great nation to greatness.

[Meshelic]

In the context of our competition with Rome for number 1 of our continent, I believe that France's location and power play a key role in what we should be doing. In terms of land area, strategic resources, etc the French incorporate the bottleneck of our continent, acting as a natural buffer to a Roman spearhead. They COULD be useful in case of a future war with our neighbors on that half of the continent.
France has little more to offer than just land area and potential for oil resources to pop up later. For the time being, having the French around is not so bad. In the future though, they will have no choice but to see us trample through their cities!

[Shiber]

I concur with Meshelic. We don't need to open the Pandora's Box that is Abananaba Minor. The Germans, English, Greek and Aztecs are enough trouble already and we don't need any more fronts with powerful AIs.

Let us not pull out the cork that is France and let the Roman demon loose!
Metaphors, GOOD! Me like.

[Aggie]

I agree with MWIA, we are not yet ready for war, nor will we be before the end of the peace treaty. However after we have built up and before the french get gp we should launch this attack. Right now we have 9knights and 7 wcs. 5 of the wc 's will be upgraded this coming turnchat for a total of 14 Knights. 5 of those currently are committed to the Eastern Front. 9 knights could be enough to take rheims and there source of iron and cobined with longbowmen(upgraded from archers) could take all cities on the e coast and to the mountains, but I am not sure we could take over the whole nation. We should at least wait until we have 14 knights + longbowmen and some WC before we attack. However once the forces are in postion we tell them to get out when they cross our borders, I would like to get them to declare war if possible.
Aggie

[zeit]

Aggie- what about the possiblity that france does get gunpowder and musketeer before the peace treaty expires?