We =need= ships!

[Meshelic]

Originally posted by joncnunn
Galleons can move faster than Galleys / Caravels, so by having existing naval units in harbors when we get Navigation so they can be upgraded immedately we'll cut a few turns off traveling the lost distance.

Great idea joncnunn

[Kloreep]

Originally posted by joncnunn
We're still better off sending Caravels into the ocean than Galleys. (Lower sink rates.)

IIRC, all sinking possibility is based solely on tech, and the game doesn't distinguish between units.

So I don't see any advantage to Caravels (aside from allowing some harbor cities to build infrastructure sooner).

[BigFurryMonster]

We won't send ships that might sink into an ocean.

[Torkkeli]

Har... Gimme a ship and I'll sail around the world!
The world is round isn't it??

[BigFurryMonster]

You never know 'till you do it.

[Meshelic]

When, realistically, could this fleet be available for use should we decide to begin construction?

[joncnunn]

Kloreep, I could have sworn the sink rate of Galleys in ocean is 50% while the sink rate of Caravels in ocean is 25%.

Yes, I think the coastal cities need some imporovements first to prepare for our golden age.

[Shiber]

joncnunn, how do you know that?
If you can find hard evidence to this it would greatly benefit our discussion, as well as our joint cause.

[joncnunn]

I'll read my Civ 3 entry on Caravel tonight.

I played Civ 2 a lot longer than Civ 3, so I may simply have been mixing and matching in ways I'd have done if I were the desiginer of Civ 3.

In my mod I'll move the Galleon back to Magnitism so it won't crowd out the Caravel. I'll keep the Privatter at Navigation though to encourage a peroid of Priacy.

The other change affecting ships in the Middle Ages is that I elimated bombard from Frigates, and reduced bombard on Men of War down to 1.

[Aro]

Here is something to think about.


"Have you seen on the map where Rome, Greece & the Aztecs have been exploring the Seas?

E_T"

Compare these images:

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Aro
Here is something to think about.


"Have you seen on the map where Rome, Greece & the Aztecs have been exploring the Seas?

E_T"

Compare these images:

I have been saying this from the very beginning. Based on the algorithms Civ3 uses to generate land masses launching directly west from Grecos has a high probability of hitting the Lost Civs' Contintent.

I campaigned to get Holeinwall moved so it could build ships and if it built a harbor it can build veteran galleys and later upgrade them and this could provide an Eastern Fleet to launch forth from Grecos.

[joncnunn]

If I'm looking at the images correctly though, the AI won't explore further west aroud there for fear of losing Caravels in the ocean.

But once Navigation is discovered, they'll quickly find them.

[joncnunn]

Shiber, I broke out the 1.21f Civ 3 Encylopia:

Caravels : Ocean travel is treachous before Navigation or Mettalurgy.

Navigation : Makes ocean travel safe for Caravels and allows ocean trade connections with harbors.

Mettalurgy : Makes ocean travel safe for Caravels and allows ocean trade connections with harbors.

Astronemy : Makes sea travel safe for Galleys and allows sea trade connections with harbors.

Galleys: Dangerous to travel sea and in ocean. Great Light House makes it safe to end movement in sea, but never for oceans.

[Shiber]

That's what I thought before a lot of people said this isn't true and galleys can traverse ocean squares after Navigation and I figured this was just a mistake in the Civilopedia.
It's late. I'll make a scenario tomorrow to verify this.

[GodKing]

Ships are a waste of $, time, and resources now. Later they will be important. Unless forced, I will not build any more in my administration (next 1.5 weeks). Remember, they cost maintenance under republic, a drain on our funds. We currently lack development at home. How many cathedreals do we have? And we are religious? With what wonders? Focus on our better priorities for now. Soon we will make contact.