Theology Debate

[Togas]

Please vote and debate this issue as I am currently unsure how we should resolve it.

We have a GL. We ought to use him soon. But we cannot build a GW until we learn Theology.

We are given Theology by an early peace with Persia.
We can learn it ourself in 12 turns.
We can buy it for aprox 556L (we can do a combination of LPT & Lyton, but each LPT is equivalant to 18 Lytons)
We can try to trade for it from France or Babylon if they develop it by trading them Chivalry.
We can try to trade/buy it from Greece when we renegotiate our luxury deal.

The issue that bothers me most is that I don't know how long it'll be until someone else builds the Sistine Chapel. It could be next turn, or it could be forty turns from now. We would only be able to tell by spying on a few of their cities to get a rough idea of how long. As I don't have the game in front of me, could someone please check the cost to spy on some of the cities who are building it.

This poll is unofficial, will expire in three days.

--Togas
Please post your thoughts.

--Togas

[Aro]

England (Nottingham) = 72 g
Greece (Sparta) = 64 g
Rome (Rome) = 126 g
Germany (Berlin) = 116 g
Russia (Moscow) = 66 (We don't have an Embassy in Moscow: it's the price of one).
We have 190 g, and we're making 54 gpt

[Togas]

It'll cost us aprox 300 Lytons to check the 3 most likely cities to see what progress has been made on Sistine. Hrm. Probably more worthwhile just to buy the damn thing.

Anyone disagree?

--Togas

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by Togas
It'll cost us aprox 300 Lytons to check the 3 most likely cities to see what progress has been made on Sistine. Hrm. Probably more worthwhile just to buy the damn thing.

Anyone disagree?

--Togas

Yes, "just buy the damn thing".

[Aro]

Yep. Agreed. The damn thing.

[Shiber]

I think we all agree that the thing is damned.

Damn Chapel! I'd piss on you if you weren't so damn beneficial!!

[Zero]

WAIT! We all know we can't wipe off the Persians the face of this earth in few turns cause they have few cities scattered around the globe. Well if they are gonna live when we're done with the main part of empire, why not leave one semi-decent city thats close to us alive, mobilize a force next to it and steal their possesion off clean, even their shirts! with a peace treaty. Thats FAR cheaper then buying it.

[E_T]

If I could vote twice, it would be to wait the 12 turns AND to see if we can get it through trade for Chivalry with France/Babylon if they get it before then.

Please see my detailed DFM Report in this thread for my reasonings, etc. http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=62238

E_T

[Robber Baron]

Buy the tech. The price is cheap, considering our current rate of lyton production, and considering that it's the Chapel we're buying.

[Arnelos]

I must express that I have come to greatly doubt the divine providence of the Great Banana toward the Banana' chosen, for how can it be asserted that the Great Banana, in its infinite wisdom, would establish a preference for ------

0h... you mean THAT type of "Theology Debate"...

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

BUY THEOLOGY. We're going to wait a few turns to build up forces to insure our victory over Persia and I doubt the Sistine chapel will be available by the time we negotiate a peace treaty.

So the smart thing to do is buy the Sistine Chapel and build it next turn.

Besides think of all those AI civs who lost out on Sun Tzu, switched to the Sistine and will now lose out on it.

[nz_upy]

IMHO I think that we have until Cheops makes it safe and sound to Ubergorsk and on that turn IF Sistines is still available we should immediately aquire Theology in any way possible (apart fom peace with Persia) and rush Sistines to thwart the AI and make them waste all their shield production.

In saying all that how long will it take Sir Cheops to reach Ubergorsk?

[Donal Graeme]

lets see, movement rate of 3, on roads, so that would make 9 tiles per turn, equaling...

[Donegeal]

Originally posted by nz_upy
IMHO I think that we have until Cheops makes it safe and sound to Ubergorsk and on that turn IF Sistines is still available we should immediately aquire Theology in any way possible (apart fom peace with Persia) and rush Sistines to thwart the AI and make them waste all their shield production.

In saying all that how long will it take Sir Cheops to reach Ubergorsk?

This is the best option. It was discussed somewhere already that it will take 5 turns for Cheops to get to Ubergrosk. If at this time, Sistine's Chapel has not beed completed, we sould buy the tech/trade for the tech from anyone except for Persia (who we sould continue to punish for breaking the RoP with us). After we techwhore Theology, rush build Sistine's Chapel with GL.

If we get another GL, go for Leo's workshop or Army.

[Donegeal]

Hmmm

My idea doesn't seem to be an option

How long until the dye trade is up with Greece?