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The following is my latest proposal (trade plan for 70AD). The previous plan can be found at the bottom of this post.
1. Trade horses to France for 34 gold and their WM. France's WM is otherwise worth 6 gold, so we're basically selling horses for 20 turns in exchange for 40 gold.
Pros: the plan will net us 40 gold and will probably make France less angry with us.
Cons: we'll be providing France with the ability to build Horsemen. However I don't think France is of any threat to us because they don't have iron and because they've lost most of their productive cities and nearly half of their territory and have become a feeble nation, only second to America.
2. Trade dyes to Greece for 27 gold and their WM. Greece's WM is otherwise worth 8 gold, so we're basically selling dyes for 20 turns in exchange for 35 gold.
Pros: this trade will make Greece somewhat dependant on us and they'll be less likely to declare war on us.
Cons: we will not be able to declare war on Greece for the next 20 turns since that'll consist of breaking a trade treaty with Greece and will lower our reputation. However, I think everyone agrees we don't want to do that anyway.
3. Trade dyes with Rome for their WM. Rome's WM is otherwise worth 9 gold, so we're basically selling dyes for 20 turns in exchange for 9 gold.
Pros: if we don't sell our dyes to the Romans now they will surely demand it the next turn or the turn afterwards and then we'll just lose dyes to the Romans. If we sell dyes to the Romans now we'll at least get their WM out of it, and we'll also be improving our relations with Rome (human to AI relations improve when you give the AI good deals).
Furthermore, if we trade with Rome they'll be less prune to make further demands, mostly because they won't want to declare war on us in case we refuse (thus breaking a trade treaty and lowering their reputation).
Cons: lousy trade. We don't net much gold.
4. Trade dyes with Germany next turn for (rough estimate) all their money (estimated 45 gold), 2-3 gpt and their WM. As you've noticed, we'll have a trade route with Germany next turn. Germany is the only known civ with cities (7-12 citizens) and they only have one luxury at the moment. I suspect they're in DESPERATE need for another luxury and will agree to give us all their money as well as 2 or 3 gpt for our dyes.
Notes: after we carry out this plan we will have exhausted all our trade options with dyes. However, there's another tile with dyes SE of Geofront. We should send a worker to connect it as soon as possible so we can make more trades.
Got any comments and/or suggestions?
** Previous trade plan proposal **
Greetings citizens,
In one turn we'll have a trade route with France and Greece, and in four a trade route with Rome and Russia. I suggest that we ready ourselves for this and examine possible trade options.
My suggestions are as follows:
Trade with Greece:
Greece is interested in our dyes. However, they don't have any money at the moment nor do I think they will divulge any gpt at wartime. If they don't gain enough money to justify a trade during the next five turns then don't trade our dyes to them.
Trade with France:
France is interested both in our horses and dyes. However, they have very little money and it's possible that they will not offer more money for both horses and dyes than they will offer for just dyes. Therefore I suggest that the president checks this next turn and if France will offer the same price for both commodities as the price for just one then we should only sell them dyes.
I believe they will offer all their money (I estimate it will be 27-30 gold next turn) and their WM for this deal. As you know money is very important during wartime so even though this is a crummy deal I suggest that we accept it.
Trade with Russia:
We have nothing to trade with them yet. However, when we get iron Russia will be a likely trade partner (especially because we want to strengthen the Russians so they would hold off Rome for a while).
Trade with Rome:
Rome will be interested in our dyes, but I fear they won't have much to pay for it. However, we should trade our dyes with the Romans anyway for whatever we can get out of them (a bit of gold, WM etc') because otherwise they will probably demand it from us a turn or two later.
Note about trading luxuries for tech: right now the best deal we could get for any techs will be through peace with Persia. Therefore we shouldn't try any lux./res. for tech deals (any such deals don't seem possible to me anyway).
I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions about this issue as well.
The following is my latest proposal (trade plan for 70AD). The previous plan can be found at the bottom of this post.
1. Trade horses to France for 34 gold and their WM. France's WM is otherwise worth 6 gold, so we're basically selling horses for 20 turns in exchange for 40 gold.
Pros: the plan will net us 40 gold and will probably make France less angry with us.
Cons: we'll be providing France with the ability to build Horsemen. However I don't think France is of any threat to us because they don't have iron and because they've lost most of their productive cities and nearly half of their territory and have become a feeble nation, only second to America.
2. Trade dyes to Greece for 27 gold and their WM. Greece's WM is otherwise worth 8 gold, so we're basically selling dyes for 20 turns in exchange for 35 gold.
Pros: this trade will make Greece somewhat dependant on us and they'll be less likely to declare war on us.
Cons: we will not be able to declare war on Greece for the next 20 turns since that'll consist of breaking a trade treaty with Greece and will lower our reputation. However, I think everyone agrees we don't want to do that anyway.
3. Trade dyes with Rome for their WM. Rome's WM is otherwise worth 9 gold, so we're basically selling dyes for 20 turns in exchange for 9 gold.
Pros: if we don't sell our dyes to the Romans now they will surely demand it the next turn or the turn afterwards and then we'll just lose dyes to the Romans. If we sell dyes to the Romans now we'll at least get their WM out of it, and we'll also be improving our relations with Rome (human to AI relations improve when you give the AI good deals).
Furthermore, if we trade with Rome they'll be less prune to make further demands, mostly because they won't want to declare war on us in case we refuse (thus breaking a trade treaty and lowering their reputation).
Cons: lousy trade. We don't net much gold.
4. Trade dyes with Germany next turn for (rough estimate) all their money (estimated 45 gold), 2-3 gpt and their WM. As you've noticed, we'll have a trade route with Germany next turn. Germany is the only known civ with cities (7-12 citizens) and they only have one luxury at the moment. I suspect they're in DESPERATE need for another luxury and will agree to give us all their money as well as 2 or 3 gpt for our dyes.
Notes: after we carry out this plan we will have exhausted all our trade options with dyes. However, there's another tile with dyes SE of Geofront. We should send a worker to connect it as soon as possible so we can make more trades.
Got any comments and/or suggestions?
** Previous trade plan proposal **
Greetings citizens,
In one turn we'll have a trade route with France and Greece, and in four a trade route with Rome and Russia. I suggest that we ready ourselves for this and examine possible trade options.
My suggestions are as follows:
Trade with Greece:
Greece is interested in our dyes. However, they don't have any money at the moment nor do I think they will divulge any gpt at wartime. If they don't gain enough money to justify a trade during the next five turns then don't trade our dyes to them.
Trade with France:
France is interested both in our horses and dyes. However, they have very little money and it's possible that they will not offer more money for both horses and dyes than they will offer for just dyes. Therefore I suggest that the president checks this next turn and if France will offer the same price for both commodities as the price for just one then we should only sell them dyes.
I believe they will offer all their money (I estimate it will be 27-30 gold next turn) and their WM for this deal. As you know money is very important during wartime so even though this is a crummy deal I suggest that we accept it.
Trade with Russia:
We have nothing to trade with them yet. However, when we get iron Russia will be a likely trade partner (especially because we want to strengthen the Russians so they would hold off Rome for a while).
Trade with Rome:
Rome will be interested in our dyes, but I fear they won't have much to pay for it. However, we should trade our dyes with the Romans anyway for whatever we can get out of them (a bit of gold, WM etc') because otherwise they will probably demand it from us a turn or two later.
Note about trading luxuries for tech: right now the best deal we could get for any techs will be through peace with Persia. Therefore we shouldn't try any lux./res. for tech deals (any such deals don't seem possible to me anyway).
I'd be interested to hear other people's opinions about this issue as well.
. I had reservations at first, but I'm now behind it.
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