War Academy: American-Aztec War

[adaMada]

Originally posted by Reddawg


nice, nice.... wanna update it with a link to the latest stats?

Oh, oops. Forgot that was out of date . I'll get it at next update (if I don't, PM me and shout at me a bit, and then I will, lol).

Of course, it'd be a lot easier if you posted an index thread, like I suggested you do a while ago , but I guess I can be not-lazy and update mine anyway .

-- adaMada

[BigFurryMonster]

Re: Here is a thought....

Originally posted by ManicStarSeed
I can not view more than the 7 other civs in the foreign advisor. Am I missing something there? Is there a logic to who is shown? Is it changable?

Yes. Use Shift+Right Click on a leader's head in the Foreign Advisor screen to change it.

Also, Shift-D in the normal screen allows you to speak to anyone who is willing to.

[adaMada]

Information from the Front

Urgant Horseman has returned from the frontlines, where President Mr. WIA, acting SMC Aggie, City Planner GodKing, Regional Manager OPD, and acting Foreign Minister adaMada are monitoring affairs. Horseman is bearing the following message from acting Foreign Minister adaMada:

Germany and Greece have just declared peace with the Axtecs, leaving only America. This will greatly change situations. Please inform War Academy and ask them to consider. adaMada

[adaMada]

No thoughts at all about this major development? Don't make me decide all by myself...

-- adaMada

[Donegeal]

America can wait. With Persia, its now or never. Onward to the Pryamids!

[History Guy]

Well, this is my opinion...

The Aztecs will not be conquering the Americans any time soon, in my opinion anyway. Unless the Aztecs make peace with Germany, improve friendships, and establish a right-of-passage pact with them, I see no way that they can even get to America, let alone conquer any bit of it. However, if they did get this sort of thing, the Americans would be destroyed. Yet, I don't see this situation occurring any time soon, if at all.

As for the Americans, I think that they are already outgrowing any usefulness as a vassal state, other than to accumulate gold and give it to us in tribute. They can do little enough as it is, and they have some very valuable land. Perhaps, then, once Persia is out of the way, we might be able to somehow "create" a situation with America, without damaging out reputation, and move in for the kill.

However, at this moment, I think our eyes should rest upon the Persians, and as Donegeal says, we should move on to the Pyramids.

[adaMada]

donegeal,
That's the question this thread asks -- can the Americans wait? Will they still be here by the time we finish with the Persians? And does that matter (you seem to think not, which is a valid opinion).

History Guy,
The Aztecs have already made peace with Germany. I don't know if they'll be able to get through their terratory, but the Aztecs are now only at war with America, and are probably still pumping military units out. There's a good chance that America may come under heavy attack soon.

Can I have anyone who's better with military estimates give their opinion as to if the Americans are at risk of extinction?

-- adaMada

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I do not feel the Americans are at risk.

1) It will take the Aztecs a while to get there and they most likely initiated the peace talks as they were fighting both Greece and Germany. The stronger allies are not usually the first ones to make peace, so America would have been the first one on the AntiAztec Alliance to try to come to peace with the Aztecs if there side was not winning.

The Aztecs didn't make peace with the Americans because they probably used all their resources to get peace with the others.

2) They haven't been building units as 3 of there best cities have been locked building wonders. One recently finished the Lighthouse and two others are currently building wonders. A civ bent on conquering another civ doesn't usually commit so much resources to wonder building.

My analysis anyway,

[Donegeal]

Sure The Americans can wait

What do the Americans have that we won't get from the Persians if we follow through with Plan Onion? Sure they have some nice wheat on flood plains and some extra Incense (which we would have to connect once we got it) but Persia has preconnected extra Incense AND Spice. If faced with a choice of big war with Persia or small war with America, I'd go for the big one.

We throw the FP into Persian homeland and Bingo! We double the power of our Glorious Nation.

Hmmm... starting to get off topic.. sorry.

[wervdon]

America would have been the first one on the AntiAztec Alliance to try to come to peace with the Aztecs if there side was not winning.

America can't make peace until its been at war for 5 turns, it may of been by now, but id have to count turns in the summaries.

[MrWhereItsAt]

One thing at a time. We are pushing an advantage with Persia, whilst keeping well out of the other disputes. Not once in the chats recently have any American units appeared, and thus I really don't think they are a threat to us. Many other civ's units are travelling North through French and American land (Greeks, Romans, the odd Russian), and show no signs of queuing at our borders, which I notice they tend to do in the tension before a war.

So long as we don't tell any Greeks to vacate our land or declare war....

[adaMada]

New Development?

Sorry to push this thread back up again, but there's been a new development...

First, an update to what I said earlier. My message from the front was in error; Greece is still at war with the Aztecs, but Germany did declare peace. My apologies.

Secondly, it's just been noticed that Philadelphia has been destroyed (see a few posts down for a map). Right now, there is only speculation as to what happened, but it seems likely that the Aztecs raized it. This may or may not affect our decision making here, but would seem to dispell the idea that the Aztecs are incapable of damaging the Americans.

Does this change anything?

-- adaMada

[Aggie]

This doesn't really change much and I had foreseen this and I did mention in early post that Philadelphia was the main vulnerable city since they were right by aztect territoy. However we can revaluate the situation and see if any other fighting takes place, it will take a few turns for the army to come south. Remember that any army that did come south still needs to go through germany.
Aggie

[=OttomusCeasar=]

Are we at war with either of them? If not, what concern is it to us?

[Aggie]

Well we just don't want aztects taking the americans, with the incense in the south the incense in america could give us a virtual monopoly on incense and we could trade the iron too. Though I suspect captured cities could flip to us too(especially the ones in se america) so it might not be a big deal.
Aggie