War Academy: American-Aztec War

[adaMada]

Members of the War Academy and other Senators,

I bring this issue to you on behalf of the Foreign Ministry. A new development has occurred in the other major war that may affect us.

America has come into the war on the side of Germany and against the Aztecs (Foreign Ministry Diplomatic Issue #013 Opened). I ask that the War Academy investigate the possibility that the Aztecs will steamroll over the Americans and take their land, which we have long considered to be a yet-undeclared and much coveted province.

I ask that the War Academy consider the affects of this development. Would it be prudent for us to declare war on the Americans earlier than we otherwise would? Will the combined German-American-Greece forces have such little trouble with the Aztec forces that America will be untouched?

Remember also that, should the Aztecs take any American city, Greece or Germany is likely to reclaim that city before the Americans do.

Finally, should we declare war on America early, what military forces would be required? Would it be possible for us, militarily, to fight both America and Persia at the same time? Furthermore, in the unlikely event that Germany was to enter the war on the side of the Americans, would our Army be able to cope?

Thank you.

-- adaMada
Vice-Minister of Foreign Affairs
Acting Foreign Minister

[wervdon]

Crud, I didnt even notice that from the turn chat log

I definately say make peace with persia and take the fragrant valley while we can.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Re: War Academy: American-Aztec War

Originally posted by adaMada
I ask that the War Academy investigate the possibility that the Aztecs will steamroll over the Americans and take their land, which we have long considered to be a yet-undeclared and much coveted province.

Not going to happen, the Aztecs would have to march past PEACEFUL? Germans to get to the American cities. Somehow I don't think the Germans are going to be all that "peaceful". The Americans will simply fight the straglers and deserters of the Aztec Army. Even they can handle that.

[Reddawg]

Even if the Americans WERE threatened by the Aztecs, do you not think that declaring war with them would be an antagonizing act with respect to their newfound allies the Germany? As well as the other nations with whom the Aztecs are at war with. I think our hands are tied. But I don't think the Aztecs will do anything.

[adaMada]

Ghengis: Germans are also at war with the Aztecs, and are actually the people who pulled America into the war.

Reddawg, I noted the idea that we might find ourselves in another war with Germany in the Foreign Ministry Office Diplo. Issue #12 write up. For this thread, though, I'm more interested in if we could deal with it if it happens -- if its starting to look like we might need to go to war based on the Military Analysis, I'll request a diplomatic one from the Machiavelli Institute.

I highly recommend that everyone read the Foreign Ministry Analysis (issue #012) if they've got a second (it's not that long) -- it's a nice little summary of the problem. (Of course, considering I wrote it, I'm rather likely to think that ).

-- adaMada

[Aggie]

I haven't thought of extra forces, but here is the time involved. I will take 6 turns for infantry to get fry tyre to the american front. Horse can get there in 3. It is three more turns fron tyre to gordium, so if we wait for the war with the persians to be over (stage 1), wec an be invading america in 9 turns.
Aggie

[adaMada]

Aggie,
If we diverted those forces from the Persian front, could we still keep the cities we'd taken/own?

Also, does anyone have an opinion as to weather the Aztecs can even threaten America? If we all agree they can't (which I'd be inclined to), then maybe we don't have to do this...

-- adaMada

[Aggie]

My estimates are we would need another army of 6sword and 4 horse to take over america quickly, we could launch and attack of 3sword and 2 horse at NY and wash at the same time to secure the iron. Then the east takes Boston and west finsished of chicago, let me urge no attack be launched until chicago is size 2. It would not be a sin to create this force anyway so we can respond quckly and decisuvely against any invasion.
adamada after we take the persian cities we will hold them with one pike and 1sword for the fron cities. So we could spare that force once peace was declared. By the end of this next turnthread we will have a force of 7sword ready to pounce. I am planning on the following attack for persia. The forces currently there will fight off the archer forces. This other force will go from uber and take sidon. Then north to tyre where it will join with the rest of the forces from the fighting out west. Then they will go toward gordium.
Aggie

[Aggie]

did ya'll notice philli on the north coast. That si the only city threatened by the aztecs, so i see no danger.
Aggie

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

I'm going to post this again since NOBODY read my first post.

The Aztecs aren't going to take America because they would have to take Germany first as Germany's not going to let a nation their at war with just walk by their cities unmolested.

When we see German cities turn Aztec Green, then we should consider the possibility of someone getting America first.

[adaMada]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
I'm going to post this again since NOBODY read my first post.

The Aztecs aren't going to take America because they would have to take Germany first as Germany's not going to let a nation their at war with just walk by their cities unmolested.

When we see German cities turn Aztec Green, then we should consider the possibility of someone getting America first.

Read it, but didn't reply, because I basically agree. I think that the Aztecs have too much on their hands to mount an offensive into America, personally. Having said that, if they were able to, it would be a threat for us, which is why I brought the issue before the War Academy to see if anyone thinks they have the forces to do it.

-- adaMada

[ManicStarSeed]

Here is a thought....

One of my favorate stratages involves allying with the underdog (americans), stand by with settlers and troops. I watch the stronger nation (aztecs) raze and capture the cities (while diminishing the HP of involved units). If it is razed, I have settlers to take the spot and if they capture the city, I have offensive units to claim the city quickly. You even look good as you aquire (american cities)

This is really usually just a stalling tactic. It allows one to finish business properly (war with persia) and respond in time to liberate those captuered cities (america).

The real questions are
Will the aztecs actually get to american cities with germany between them?
How does Greece factor into this? I have this feeling that any agression towars america will be frowned upon

Lastly,
I am not sure that it would work without being at us being at war with germany. Better yet would be an alliance with the americans against the germans.

Also, I am at a little disadvantage right now...

I am unsure of the political spectrum. Can anyone direct me to the thread with a current summation of all the ongoing wars and pacts?

Is it Greece, England & Germany (+ America) vs England & Aztecs?
and Us vs Persia?
Is there anything else going on ou there?

I can not view more than the 7 other civs in the foreign advisor. Am I missing something there? Is there a logic to who is shown? Is it changable?

I digress...

....Or should we just cut the persian wars short and just take the fragrant vally for ourselves (and hope greece doesnt feel threatend).

One last note... has anyone noticed the Persian cities of Samaria and Sardis? The Aztecs will want those cities in the next 200 years or so. Germany might be tempted by an easy aquisition.....

Well I hope that was coherent...

Mss

[adaMada]

If you've got a bit of time, check out the Foreign Ministry Office thread... the diplomatic issues that are marked 'current' take you through all the major wars that anyone has had (and peace) from the beginning of the term.

Sadly, I'm not sure if there's a more concise resource, so I'll write something that might help a bit. This is off the top of my head, so sorry if it's inaccurate.

We're at war with Persia. (We were at war with France and Germany, but we've ended both of those).

The Germans, Greeks, and Americans are at war with the Aztecs (Greeks-Germans have pact, and Germans-Americans). The English were in this war before against the Greeks only, but they just bowed out last turn.

[Reddawg]

Originally posted by adaMada
I highly recommend that everyone read the Foreign Ministry Analysis (issue #012) if they've got a second (it's not that long) -- it's a nice little summary of the problem. (Of course, considering I wrote it, I'm rather likely to think that ).

-- adaMada

nice, nice.... wanna update it with a link to the latest stats?

[ManicStarSeed]

Than
for the speedy reply..

Mss