Apolytonian Racial Elitists

[UnOrthOdOx]

You quote my plan then ask what it is?

We must offer these foreign nationals an opportunity to serve as our equals. To shed off their own nationality and become workers or settlers (I REALLY think the citizens chosen when building these goes from right to left, oldest first...but could be wrong). Once they have proven their loyalty there, they can be assimilated back into any city of their choice, AS APOLYTONIANS, not as foreign nationals.

This is an opportunity. If we decide not to procede with this course and instead choose to kill off our own potential power, we will be condemning ourselves. We must make every opportunity to use what resources are available to us. And our diverse citizenry is such a resource, when properly tapped.

Why do we conquer? To bring order to this place. To show our greatness. To claim Victory. (described in last post) Not to destroy all other peoples, enslave masses, or slaughter children. What kind of future is that for our own children?

'If you accord with virtue you become one with it.
If you accord with loss you become one with it.'
- Lao Tzu



Spiffor,

Timeline and I spoke to great lengths on that subject. It goes nowhere. Though I welcome conversation with the DIA always, sometimes that is best done in private...

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Just because we gave them the metric system and the Added Value Tax, they think we are different : dont correct them. (in How to deal with non-french human beings handbook, Vol I, Title I, Chapter 1)

Oh, we really embraced the metric system. Don't hold your breathe waiting for anyone to thank you for that.

Our lack of support for the metric system is part of our secret global domination conspiracy.....

[civman2000]

Originally posted by Spiffor
As a DIA member, I must strongly oppose this new incarnation of murderous and genocidial ideology, which plagues even the greatest representatives of our esteemed rival party .

Killing these French and Americans is utterly stupid ! If they die, who will work in the fields near Del Monte and Gaia ? Who will furnish us our dyes and our wines ? Who will make money for the greatness of our empire ?
We must assimilate these people overtime, rather than killing them. They are good as long as they're still alive and working hard for the sake of our purse !

I second this.

[adaMada]

I'm (as a private citizen, totally not related to the Foreign Ministry's official position -- which I don't know) in total agreement with Unortho and Shiber, in everything except the "As a DIA member" part .

Genocide's not cool. Even in videogames. And even in a purely roleplaying sense, it's bad economic policy -- we need all the population we can get, not to be killing off what's been given to us.

-- adaMada

[Proserpine]

We should respect our minorities!

While an element of role play is welcome, in my view you go too far with this Duddha. There are really bad connotations to this idea. I refer you back to some discussions we had early on (before the Game started) about ethics which, while it was probably erring too much the other way, did raise some interesting points.

"Foreign" -origin Apolytonians will either (1) assimilate to our glorious culture (2) revert to their original allegiance (if theirs is strong & ours is weak), and/or (3) continue to exist as a minority within ours, which our government should take account of. That is the nature (I might even say essence) of both Democracy and this game. We should respect otherness - they have become Apolytonians in the same way as there are Turkish Germans and African Americans.

OT: As a Scot, whose nation owes its survival arguably as much or maybe more to its strong culture as to its military prowess, I can see where Firaxis were coming from with this idea.

Sorry for this rant, it just makes me uncomfortable as an "overt" political stance, even within this game. And by the way I live in England now, so maybe I over identify with those "foreigners" in our C3DG nation, sorry again.

[ManicStarSeed]

We have all seen a lot of crap in these forums, but this "ARE" organization is in really bad taste. There are too many REAL groups like this and considering the truly international make-up of these forums, I say again this is in really bad taste. How well do any of us really know each other? How do any of us actually KNOW that the group is not an offspring from some deep rooted racial issue?

We want everybody regardles of nationality, race, creed sexual orientation, etc... to be COMFORTABLE here.

This group flies in the face of that.

I am all for ethnocentric (differs from bigotry), megalomaniacal, genocidal, warmonging role playing. I just do not want to be a part of anything that sounds degrading.

Elitist ethnic politics wind up attracting haters. Some will be playing and others will be serious. Who can really tell the difference? If you think that you can, just say so, I will post my latest picture from my latest shoot.

Well thats all I really had to say, lets not get caught up in negative rhetoric and give the wrong impression.

Mss

[Proserpine]

. . . and I would never play as the Scots 'cos they were useless at conquering the world (the English had to show us where to go).

[Ninot]

noo!
we must save the beautiful french people, more notably their women!
i cant stand for this!

[caesarqbear]

*ManicStarSeed, Proserpine: I think you underestimate what good and health can actually come from this kind of role-playing. This is not a popular topic in RL and many may not know how ugly a history it was (is?).*

Duddha, you ARE a fool. Do you think that non-original peoples are not among you right NOW? Even as we speak, refugees from other nations are serving loyal roles in the building of our glorious Apolytonia. If you turn the knife against all foreigners you turn it against your fellow citizen, your fellow minister. You turn it against your brother.
I fled the decadence and wretchedness of an immoral American nation. I turned to the great Banana and found peace and salvation. Yet now I find that the ugly barbarism of my past has followed me and placed it's bile into your mouth! Del Monte is my home. My former American friends and family are citizens of Apolytonia, and we will fight to defend the ways of the Banana and champion it's glory.
It is a mistake to call for the execution of all foreign nationals. You will only breed dissent and mistrust. You have grown paranoid from this war with the hated frogs. The French obviously are an inferior and untrustworthy species, but it is a mistake to call this the standard of all other foriegners. Help us to convert my barbaric brothers. We need to build our holy temples in the farthest reachest of our territory, and build great and marvelous wonders to demonstrate that ours is the most dominate and rightous of cultures.

[ManicStarSeed]

Originally posted by caesarqbear
*ManicStarSeed, Proserpine: I think you underestimate what good and health can actually come from this kind of role-playing. This is not a popular topic in RL and many may not know how ugly a history it was (is?).

True, I see your point and I welcome it

I never estimated anything,
I just want to keep the uglys of RL out....

Thanks for the additional perspective..

Mss

[Trevman]

Yes, foreigners have weakened our nation somewhat, but that is the price we pay for conquest. However, purging our nation of them will just weaken it even more as the foreigners have integrated strongly into our society.

[Duddha]

Duddha, you ARE a fool. Do you think that non-original peoples are not among you right NOW? Even as we speak, refugees from other nations are serving loyal roles in the building of our glorious Apolytonia. If you turn the knife against all foreigners you turn it against your fellow citizen, your fellow minister. You turn it against your brother.
I fled the decadence and wretchedness of an immoral American nation.

Mama, we got wann of em foreigners! Get em!

[Duddha]

Yes, foreigners have weakened our nation somewhat, but that is the price we pay for conquest. However, purging our nation of them will just weaken it even more as the foreigners have integrated strongly into our society.

You contradict yourself. You know which half is right, join the dark side.

[Duddha]

I am all for ethnocentric (differs from bigotry), megalomaniacal, genocidal, warmonging role playing. I just do not want to be a part of anything that sounds degrading.

I hope you don't think the little people in the game have feelings.

[Duddha]

"Foreign" -origin Apolytonians will either (1) assimilate to our glorious culture (2) revert to their original allegiance (if theirs is strong & ours is weak), and/or (3) continue to exist as a minority within ours, which our government should take account of. That is the nature (I might even say essence) of both Democracy and this game. We should respect otherness

I have explained earlier in this thread why foreigners weaken the strong lineage of our nation. Besides referring to utopain dreams of "diversity" explain how foreigners make us stronger. We must crush this "otherness" before it destroys us.