Machiavelly Institute: France's surrender

[Shiber]

Well, at the moment there are no French towns we can take. They're all pop. 1 and have less than 10 culture with the exception of Avignon which is of no value to us anyway.
We should definitely finish off some French troops and then move our swordsmen to the tile next to Rheims so Joan agrees to hand it over quietly. Then we should go and beef up our defenses, chew on Germany or Persia or finish off what we started with the Americans.

[GodKing]

Ignore chartres. We will flip it culturaly before it can harm us.

Get rouin (sp?) and anything else. Build a road to chartres (we only need rop to build road - if we are at peace the trade goods pass through foreign territory).

We then focus on culture in the former french cities and soon chartres is ours without worring about the french declairing war and cutting us off.

[Shiber]

A RoP with France is still a good idea regardless of how we plan to establish a trade route with the newly-acquired towns. You'll notice that if we sue for peace and ask for Feudalism they charge 356 gold for it but if we offer a RoP they charge 256 gold. That's a discount of 100 gold! We can't possibly turn that down.

[OPD]

Originally posted by Shiber
A RoP with France is still a good idea regardless of how we plan to establish a trade route with the newly-acquired towns. You'll notice that if we sue for peace and ask for Feudalism they charge 356 gold for it but if we offer a RoP they charge 256 gold. That's a discount of 100 gold! We can't possibly turn that down.

dude have you been playing ahead?

As for Chartes I would advise against relying on a culture flip.


It is important to know what people generally think our objectives should be for the wars on all three fronts.

Personally I think we should take munich from the Germans then get peace from them.
Take the land or cities of Rheims, chartes and Rouen then peace with the French
And just take a few more slaves from the persians before peace with them.

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Same reasons everyone wanted an ROP with Persia for..................

I say make peace and get Feudalism (indifferent on the ROP thing) and Rouen(or not, Rouen is about as useless a city as possible) if you get another city out of them fine, give it to Greece or somebody (improves their relations to us and we don't want it, but hey if Joan's giving it up for free.......)

Smack Sidon. I said it before and say it again, take Sidon and Persia will sign a peace treaty, although they are going to be PO'd about those settlers. Anyway their easy kills. Don't think we got much chance of denying them the iron anymore as they moved their troops to cut off our warrior while he sat there picking his nose. That guy needs to be courtmartialed.

We might take Hamburg but I put our odds at 50/50 now, maybe worse. It's a gamble but not much to lose as there's no other threats except Persia if we make peace with France. We really need to make peace with Germany and Persia and spend some time building up our cities as we may not get another chance to focus on infrastructure later and it greatly improves our warfighting ability. (see the reference to Warfighter. )

[GhengisFarbâ„¢]

Originally posted by OPD
Personally I think we should take munich from the Germans then get peace from them.
Take the land or cities of Rheims, chartes and Rouen then peace with the French

We CAN'T take Rheims or Chartes, we can destroy them, but not take them. Personally I can't think of any more preferable place holder than France.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by OPD
dude have you been playing ahead?

No, I just opened up a diplomacy screen, punched in a few deals and checked the foreign advisor's reactions. I think we've concluded that this does not count as playing ahead as long as you don't actually make a deal and only put a proposal on the table.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by GhengisFarb
Smack Sidon.

I'm afraid it will be autorazed if we do.

[Kuciwalker]

We want Chartres. Yes, it will flip to us before it is a threat. That is irrelevent. We want it so that we have Wine.

[Aggie]

If we move our archers toward rheims it might hlep the deal. I say NO ROP. Remember, as long as we aren't at war we can move goods though other civs. A techwhore deal sounds good. Remember, if we continue the war an archer could attach port rouge. On the other hand the spear is elite and maybe a great leader could emerge.
Aggie

[UnOrthOdOx]

How can we Techwhore with Russia? They have the Library? Don't they get it for free once we obtain it as well? Or are they dumb enough to trade for it even though they would get it free at the end of the turn?

[Shiber]

Why no RoP? They'll give us a discount of 100 gold on Feudalism if we sign a RoP. France have become a feedble civilization. All of their productive towns have been reduced to 1 population and their treasury is empty. Furthermore, other than Feudalism they have no technologies that we don't have and we're considered a technologically backward civilization.

[Shiber]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
How can we Techwhore with Russia? They have the Library?

Yes, but they don't have Feudalism yet. However, once we get it they'll get it from the library as well (we'll be the 3rd known civ to have it. I overlooked that).

[wervdon]

I could care less about the cities, but we need feudalism from them, but surely they can be persuaded to part with it for less than 350 lytons....

I say take/destroy one more city (approach them again as our troops get close) then politely ask them to reconsider the price on feudalism.

After that, I guess take what they offer though, cause we risk getting over extended in the west due to our lack of units for defense.

As for RoP, It's probally worth 100 lytons, but 250 lytons, rop, and peace for feudalism is still an insult.

[Epistax]

Take rheims, then take whatever peace offers the french will accept. Chartres, at the least, will be a cultural victory.

Peace must come quickly, but so must rheims