Discussion - Joan has 159 lytons!!!

[GodKing]

With this much, she can possibly bribe someone to attack us.

I suspect she will bribe one of the following:
Americans - they dislike us
Aztec - at war already, so they are mobilized and need the cash
English - same as Aztec
Germans - they probably have a large army just waiting to attack somebody, and as our neighbor with munich in our clutches.... wouldn't you?

I suspect thay she may, if she is very diplomatic, get the greek army on her side. However, as she is neighbors with greece, I find this a less likely scenario.

So, if this comes about, what do we do?

One idea I had, as the persians like us and are making us kinda nervious marching all those archers around, can we bribe them to attack whomever until we can make peace with france?

Thoughts, comments, etc....

[Kloreep]

Are you sure she could bribe all the people on that list? Germany would be willing, I'm sure, but England and the Aztecs, while mobilized, are already having to fight Hoplites on one front. And while America may hate us, I would think they would realize we're more than a match for them.

But, in such a scenario, I'd be for signing an alliance with Persia - and ASAP, too, since the sooner we sign it, the sooner we could cancel it and make peace with whoever France goaded into war.

[GhengisFarb™]

Re: Discussion - Joan has 159 lytons!!!

Originally posted by GodKing
Joan has 159 lytons!!!

They're not Lytons in France, they refer to their coinage as "Frog disks", and the larger denomination of coins are called "Flat Joans"........

[Reddawg]

Well whatever we do, we don't want to bring another army in to declare war on France. What if they take some of the French cities? We want those for Apolytonia?

It'd be really craptastic if we bribed Persia to help us and then they got some of France, b/c then we'd be sandwiched between Persia. Not too good.

I suppose if the French do bribe an ally, which they may not, then we could try to bring someone in to help. But it should be someone who is only in a position to attack France's ally, not France herself.

oh, and let's hope they dont bribe in one of the nations already at war. can you say "world war"?

[cdinkle]

Well maybe what we could do is offer them a peace treaty (after taking everything but their Capital), and that they also give us all their gold, then we attack and capture Paris. It's cheap, but its fast money.

[Reddawg]

b/c i know you only just signed up, cdinkle, i'll give you the benefit of the doubt ;-) there's basically no way we can take all their cities, we don't have that strength. the goal is to take just a few of the cities, like 4-5, the easternmost ones. and as soon as we start the war, Paris and Orleans are the first targets. otherwise your idea would've been a possibility.

[wervdon]

If the french bring someone else into the war, then we should make peace with france asap after we obtain our goals then concentrate on the 2nd foe.

The nightmare situation would be something like this though:
france pays germany to attack us
germany pays persia to attack us
persia pays greece to attack us
etc


Its not likely though if we make the french war as concise as possible. Get what we want, then make peace for whatever we can get.


Also if they did pay germany to attack us, id suggest paying the aztecs to attack the germans, then taking munich and anything else they have we want.

[Togas]

In the event that France does bribe someone into the war, we will respond by bribing a neighbor of our new enemy into the war with the new guy.

We will race to meet our objectives and make peace with France ASAP.

We will then focus on keeping out the new guy and/or making peace.

The only concern is this: If we bribe an enemy into war and then make peace with our mutual victim, it tends to ruin our relations with our new ally. Therefore, we would bribe the ally into a war with the new enemy ... hopefully someone far away so that by the time they get to us, they're already war weary. And by that time everyone is happy to end the war. Little relations damage.

Enemies with Republics would be nice.

--Togas

[Shiber]

I suspect France is going to ally with Persia against us, as their price would be the lowest.
America won't agree to go to war with us. Greece, Aztecs and England will demand at least 300-400 gold to sign an alliance against us. Germany is a republic so they won't be so keen to go to war, and so their price will be steep.
Persia, however, already has units within our territory. They are a despotism like us so they need not worry about war weariness and if you ask me, they've been drooling over our territory ever since we met them (since they are blocked in all other directions by either sea or a strong AI civ). They'll be cheap and France is going to ask for their help.

[Max]

I thought Persia had a RoP agreement with us (?) Xerxes wouldn't betray us like that, would he?

Anyway France couldn't bribe Persia for only 159 frog disks if we still have this RoP as I think...

[Shiber]

Xerxes is a double-crossing bastard, only second to Bismarck. RoPs mean nothing to him.
Anyway, France can pay Persia gpt for their help.

[Max]

So I guess we should strengthen our borders and especially Ubergrosk, in order to secure our iron.

We have presently sent all our attacking force to the west and I fear that the two most famous "double-crossing bastards" are a heavy threat.

[Panag]

hi ,


, it seems that that money is going to be ours very soon , ....

a large part when we got some cities , the rest we just simply demand

have a nice day

[Max]

Panag is right: if we hit quick and hard, Joan's money won't be a problem.

Still we have to worry about Otto and Xerxes.

I've just seen that the "Machiavelli institute : analysis of the Greek Wars" thread is precisely speaking oh that right now...

[Shiber]

Not necessarily. Joan can offer Persia or Germany gpt for an alliance, and they most likely will once Paris and Orleans will be ours.