Discussion - Joan has 159 lytons!!!

[GodKing]

If I had to guess, persia will not side with france. their RoP will make them our allies. We can sick them on whomever she does bribe. Hopefully it isn't the germans, as that could be a nightmair. Anybody else I wouldn't give to much concern with at first.

We do also have 2-3 warriors in cities with barracks. We can upgrade them at the start of the war, and keep them as reserve near loveshack. It will take them 5 turns to get anywhere in the empire, but it is what we have now. Also, if it is germany, we take munich fast and then sue for peace.

[Shiber]

I recommend that we upgrade all 3 warriors and then move them to BHQ or a bit up north so they'll be able to respond to threats faster.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Otto is the biggest threat IMO. Though, I believe that he will be jumping in on the Greek wars for one side or the other. Greece is already about to send units through his territory to get at England. He either has a ROP with them (and is likely to add an aliance) or is going to be REAL pissed at them for it and likely to declare war on them.

[Shiber]

Germany has a RoP with Greece. It's likely that Germany will join Greece's side in the war. If they do, great news! One less enemy to worry about for the next 20 turns.

[UnOrthOdOx]

With any luck, Persia will declare war on Germany, joining England's side (must somehow guard against persia taking Munich in this case) and we will be free to go slap around France then sit back and watch the fun, picking which side to join near the end of the beating.

[DAVOUT]

For Germany, the aim of war could be to open an access on both oceans :
- North with the cities of Xochicalco, Tlacopan and Malinda, checking in the same move further Azteks expansion toward the Ivory Coast
- East with the cities of Tula (iron), Calixtlahuaca and Liverpool or Sardis.

This would result in a powerful situation.

[Shiber]

Doesn't matter if Persia takes Munich, we'll take it culturally anyway. In fact if Persia takes Munich it'll be much easier to flip it because Munich is farther from Persepolis than from Berlin and because Persia has less total culture than Germany.

[Reddawg]

I wonder though... might we not capture/destroy a large part of France's money in the opening turn of the war? If we catch Paris and Orleans right off, we may capture some gold plus decrease their gpt a lot. Especially since Paris is their leading city. They may not be able to bribe anyone in on the war, and if they do it's going to be the cheapest one, IMO: Persia. But because of the RoP maybe not... I'm not sure France is going to get any help.

[Shiber]

Problem is, it will take us three turns to conquer Paris from the moment we declare war, giving Joan two turns to recruit an ally. Seeing that there are 8 swordsmen approaching Paris she might panic and sign an alliance before we get a chance to conquer Paris, and then when we do conquer Paris we'll get very little money out of it, if any, because they've given all or most of their money to another AI in return for a declaration of war against us.

[Max]

What about a sneak attack : Joan would be less likely to bribe anyone in on the war (not having the time to do it) ?

Or maybe we could declare war just before attacking, once we are in her border (I can't remember if the consequences are the same than a sneak attack)

[wervdon]

We could use the sneaky strategy that was on civfanatics a while back with artillery. That is found a temporary city in their territory in order to "borrow" their roads for our slow troops to get to their city in one turn. The strategy was for artillery, but there's no reason it wouldn't work for swordsman too.

I doubt its worth the expenditure of a settler though. I mean is that 2 turns likely to make that much of a difference?


EDIT: Actually it wouldn't work, I forgot it works for artillery cause they have the range of 2. It'd take our swordsman 1 turn to reach the temporary city, 1 to move through it, and 1 to reach the foreign city, then it'd be the next turn before they could attack. Oh well, just disregard that, its definately not worth it to gain 1 turn

[GodKing]

Max -

NO SNEAK ATTACK.

Our diplomatic relations cannot handle the repurcussions. And all of our research is aquired through diplomicy at this time.

We are on the border. We opened an embassy the turn before so we sneaked a peak at paris. Only 2 spears. We will declair war prior to entering their territory to avoid the diplomatic repurcussions. Paris should fall quickly. When we take over it should only have a pop of 2 or 3 (it is at 6 now, it will pop rush a sword or spear, and will loose one when we march in).

Orleans we will take with a pop of 1 (it has culture, so after they pop rush there, it will not disapear when we take it).

Our stratagy will depend on 2 factors at this point. The french will at this time pay someone to attack us on another front. Second is what shape our forces are in after the attack. We might just sue for peace at this point if continuing will be a problem. Many variables to account for, so we will have to play it by ear.

[Max]

OK, so we'll act & see, if I understand.
After all a pragmatic policy is not so bad...

[Shiber]

I think there's a consensus against sneak attacks.
However that doesn't mean we won't appreciate any more suggestions from Mr. Wervdon who can teach us some of what the Phoenaticans have learned.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Max
What about a sneak attack : Joan would be less likely to bribe anyone in on the war (not having the time to do it) ?

Or maybe we could declare war just before attacking, once we are in her border (I can't remember if the consequences are the same than a sneak attack)

hi ,

hang-on , a sneak attack shall hurt our rep , ...

we should only upgrade the three warriors when needed , not before , only when danger is around , and we should have them there where ther is a barracks ,....

as for the allies of the species , well no need to worry yet about that , ...

BUT we should watch those persians , ......

have a nice day