Bunch of ideas

[Epistax]

These ideas could take shape as the committee that might (hopefully) be formed to help reshape ourselves, or by amendment process, etc.

Italics are COL quotes

Please refer to each idea by number.

1) Any unofficial polls must be labeled as so within the first post. Change the requirement from unofficial polls needing to be labeled unofficial, to official polls needing to be labeled official.

2) Allow the creator of a successfully added amendment to bypass the 'repoll' allowing the creator to amend his or her amendment before the 21 day wait.

3) Remove this absurd line for the COL: They are required to conduct polls in order to interrupt the people’s will. under ministers.

4) Once the turns are played the president shall send out the save game file via e-mail only to all the members of his cabinet and any Apolytonia member who specially request it. The Historian and Reporter must receive saves from the end of each turnchat. to be completely removed, replaced only that the public have access to the latest saves, and archived saves, after every turn session has ended.

5) The President is required to host at least one turnchat a week. to be completely removed. VP may host only sessions in a 7 day period, and there is nothing wrong with that.

6) If a member is elected three times into the same office, that member must run for a different office in his fourth term, or not run at all. to be removed. If anyone feels that an office holder isn't doing their duty, it is their duty to see someone else to the position.

7) Removal of reporters from COL? (They are citizens, not officials of any sort at all. This relates to #4)

This is by no means a complete list, just all I can think of at the moment, and enough to terminally fill a thread if people are so inclined.

CERTAINLY feel free to add your own.

[adaMada]

All of those ideas are good ones, except perhaps number 6... It'll be a real shame to see some officials go after their three terms are up, but I think it's a generally good idea... maybe add a clause so that they can 'sit out' one administration and then come back for another or something, but I think ti's a good idea to get some 'new blood' in some time, through some way.

Besides, that, though .

-- adaMada

[Aggie]

I like that list generally, but we should keep the housekeeping seperate from the big issues, the only one that I see here is #6. That demands its own thread as the issue of term limits is very important. For the record I think it should read "A person may not serve more than three terms consectively in any elected office, unless for the fourth and later term they run unopposed". This is mwia's plan that I saw in smac demo game and I think it will fit here. Obviously if jobs get hard to fill we can revisit this issue, but until that time we should stick with the term limits unless 2/3 of the people desire otherwise. To include it right now could well cause the whole list to fail I suspect. The rest of the list is very good and I suggest that you start formalizing it so we can get the amendment done as soon as possible.
Aggie

[Kloreep]

Looks good. I agree with adaMada about number 6, though. It's very hard to defeat an incumbent, especially for someone who's never held a ministerial position before, and we should give others a chance.

[Epistax]

Aggie, this list would not be a single vote. I am not sure what my opinion is on 6, I just know it's been mentioned.

[Panag]

hi ,

, get to Uber Isle , with one settler , worker and two units , ....

have a nice day

[Epistax]

8) All amendment polls must show a quote of the amendment to be added, however this might be altered due to the COL styling.
(I have seen at least one amendment with no exact wording whatsoever that has passed)

[MrWhereItsAt]

Re: Bunch of ideas

They are required to conduct polls in order to interrupt the people’s will.

I thought this was a typo, but it IS actually in there!

Sir Ralph: We need to stop turnchats becausee (insert appropriate intelligent comment here)

Darkness' Edge: No! I haven't had the chance to go to one yet! Let's keep them going so we can all participate in one.

MrWIA: Hi guys, stop talking about important stuff you want to do and go to this thread to vote on this non-issue for me.



Epi - it all looks good. :b I agree with Aggie about the 6th, but then it was me that said that, so I guess I should agree.

[Epistax]

9) Horribly vague If a poll is an alternative poll, offering alternatives to decisions made in a previous poll, then it also must be conducted at least 3 weeks following the first poll, or be immediately deemed invalid. replaced with something like If a poll is to serve as an alternative or replacement for a previous poll, the nit must also be conducted at least 3 weeks following the first poll, or be immediately deemed invalid. (the creator of the first poill would be able to bypass this claus by #2)

[UnOrthOdOx]

Re: Re: Bunch of ideas

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt


I thought this was a typo, but it IS actually in there!

I am fairly sure that was intended to say interpret

[roleplay]REMOVE REPORTERS FROM THE CoL?!?!?!

You MUST be joking. It SAYS they are citizens right in there. You must be out of your minds! We at the Gazette sit here and slave away for YOU and this is how you repay us? By removing the only shred of official power we can hold over the Gov't?! Have YOU ever tried to get an interview with one of the officials? It is virtually impossible without that 'serve as a watchdog for the government' clause that we can hold over their head! Cease this madness or face trying get infromation yourselves! [/roleplay]

It is a harmless little section, but if you want...

[MrWhereItsAt]

/me hastily removes his default support for #7.

[Epistax]

Lol. The only thing the reporters clause does, is define the reporter for the clause that requires the reporters be given the latest save, which is obsolete.

In my state it is still the law that shotguns must be brought to church on sundays in case of native american attack.

[MrWhereItsAt]

We need to keep those, if nothing else so we can look back from our enlightened eras and laugh in the future. In the case of our oldest law, the Treaty of Waitangi, everyone looks back and just shakes their heads.

Some cry.

Everyone gets pissed.


The law is a ass, and it is necessary to remind people of that frequently.

OK, I am raving now - it's 3am.

[UnOrthOdOx]

[roleplay]

'Reporters (Newspapers):'(the Gazette)
'These independent agents'
This takes care of your problem with them being not official. It STATES we are independant!

'are bestowed the great privilege of keeping the people informed on the happenings of the game and government, as well as the general environment around us. They should strive to obtain accurate facts, and state things how they are, free of political involvement.'

Again, readvocating that this is FREE OF POLITICAL INVOLVEMENT. But we are getting to the juice of the Section:

'The reporters act as a window into the game, serve as a government watchdog, and are general tool of the people.'

'Serve as a government watchdog' How do you intend to keep the government honest without having our services with OFFICIAL power to have access to government information, to portray that information to the public. Remove this clause and you will open the government to hiding information from the public and have no means to stop it. The Court you say? Well, who decides how much the judges are paid? The Cabinet. Can you truly trust someone on the payroll of the government to actually serve as their check and balance? I say no. We must preserve the rights of reporters to access official information, and therefore the rights of the people to know. Yes, a save is publicly posted now, but how much of this game is truly in the save? Vote no to item 7. Are we really that desperate to remove a few lines? Will it make it any easier to read? No! Will it remove our official rights to know government information not included in the save? Yes! Cease this nonsense, or I may be forced to take drastic measures. How long can you live with a strike? For we cannot work without that clause.
[/roleplay]

[civman2000]

all except 6 are good