Thinkers Guild : Which victory ?

[DAVOUT]

From what we read in threads dealing of strategy, it appears that the type of victory is a late choice and often an opportunistic one. Nevertheless some players discard systematically one or several types of victory.

This observation raised two questions :

- in the case of a democracy game, gamers create an organization pursuing one aim : victory, but which victory ? Should not have been chosen from the very beginning the types of victory desired or accepted, and refused the others ? And if this has not been done yet, should not this choice be decided now, adding a feeling of unity to the community ?
- in the general case of the game, could an early choice of victory bring some light when alternative, and competing, strategies are possible ?

All comments appreciated.

[Papa Chubby]

I do believe that the the different political parties advocate different aims for victory. The Hawks f.ex. believe that we should go for a dominion victory, or being the only civilisation left. The DIA, being builders, probably advocate using higher production rate to win the space race. Then we the citizens of this fair land can influence this long-term goal by voting.

[Robber Baron]

Good idea for a thread, DAVOUT. It's probably not to early to begin weighing this question -- although I hope discussion does not get too devisive.

Of course, we will need to remain flexible and open to developments. The map of possibilities before us is going to change repeatedly and continuously.

But my preliminary feeling, given the massive size of Abananaba and our central place on it, is that it's going to be difficult to achieve a space race, for example -- at least, not if we have rival civs on several sides.

Here's a related question: is Abananaba too big to conquer and hold until the Modern era? I assume it is. Then, how completely will we be able to dominate the continent, via vassalization and/or punishment of hostile rivals? We can all probably agree that we want to carve out a central slice. How big do you see our ideal borders getting, in the Medeival era, in the Industrial era?

Our ultimate victory gambit probably grows out of those kinds of questions.

[GePap]

A dominion or conquest victory wil have te be persued as a long term goal- unless we simply do, what for a dem game might be boring, a big final war push at the end. A cultural victory wold also call for long term planning, and might be utterly out of the question by now.

[GoodFella]

By now I believe a cultural victory is out of the question.

[GoodFella]

Also I want a domination victory.

[Panag]

hi ,

we should go for the "type" that we can have ASAP , if in the proces of going for one type we get victory by an other type , so be it

have a nice day

[jdjdjd]

Interesting, being in the center of the continent like we are, probably dooms us to many a war. Still we should not close doors on any type of victory until we know its too late. As panag said, go for the quickest, which currently may seem to be Domination, but as we expand and increase Production, may turn out to be Space Race.

[Epistax]

It looks to me that any kind of victory would be possible to us, given a commitment. The problem with a democracy is that they are aimless except in times of need; this favors the builders (space race, culture).

[UnOrthOdOx]

Is culture victory truly possible at this stage? I think space would be a good aim. It would leave plenty of room for wars for the warmongers, and lots of building infrastructure for the builders. With the Germans, Aztecs, and Persians on one border, you can bet there will be some wars. And we definately will need solid infrastructure to match them if and when they team against us.

I am flat out against UN victory for no special reason than I just don't like it.

Here's a related question: is Abananaba too big to conquer and hold until the Modern era?

It *COULD* be done, but not easily, and not likely.

[GoodFella]

All of Abananaba could be conquered and held.

Space race is a good possibility.

I still culture is out of the question. Our best shot would have been generating 20,000 culture in one of our cities, but it is too late for that now I think since we don't have and probably won't build any of the ancient high culture wonders.

[DAVOUT]

Dont you think that the traits of our civ have something to do with the quickest victory we can get ?

[Jonny]

Originally posted by DAVOUT
Dont you think that the traits of our civ have something to do with the quickest victory we can get ?

Hmmm... Egyptians are religious and industrious.

Religious could help for a cultural victory, but it is probably too late for that, like many of you say.

Religious could also help in domination, but to a lesser extent. (The higher culture leads to higher chance of culture-flipping other civs cities.)

Industrious... well, I guess that could be helpful in Space Race or Domination.

Our traits don't clearly show what type of victory we should try to achieve.

[Inverse Icarus]

D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-D-OMINATION-ATION-ATION-ATION-ATION.... G-G-G-G-G-ENOCIDE-CIDE-CIDE-CIDE OF ALL RACES NOT APOLYTONIAN-ONIAN-ONIAN-ONIAN

[carpathia]

Originally posted by Papa Chubby
I do believe that the the different political parties advocate different aims for victory. The Hawks f.ex. believe that we should go for a dominion victory, or being the only civilisation left. The DIA, being builders, probably advocate using higher production rate to win the space race. Then we the citizens of this fair land can influence this long-term goal by voting.

Papa chubby is absolutely right. As long as we have a diversified public with different opinions were going to have diversified beleifs on what our aims should be. That is why we have a democracy. So we can hold public poll and get eveyones opinion and then take action by the voice of the people.