Thinkers Guild : Which victory ?

[carpathia]

One more thing. I would like to become a member of the thinker guild.

[Inverse Icarus]

Here's a related question: is Abananaba too big to conquer and hold until the Modern era?

Not at all.

But if we do Conquer most of it (say 75%) we may win (is it Domination or Conquest that has a % of the world?), depennding on the size of other landmasses.

Also, if we had all that land, and developed it to a decent level, w'ed probably just ram through the rest of the Civs.


It wouldnt be hard to take over this continent, the hard part would be deciding in what order the civs fall to us

[GoodFella]

Domination Victory: 2/3 (two thirds) of the world's land must fall within our borders.

This can be done, even if it is harder than conquest (we just need to be last civ standing for conquest i.e. raze evryone basically). Commerical trait would have helped, but religeous will help a little. Abananaba is definately conquerable. As we assimilate our weaker enemies we become stronger, then we assimilate stronger enemies to make us stronger, then we assimilate even stronger neighbors and so on. We just need to create a nice cycle.

[GoodFella]

Why cutural victory is out of reach:

Cultural Victory: Civ must have either one city with [/b]20,000 culture[/b] points or a total cultural value of 100,000.

Without any of the big-culture early wonders, we are likely not to fill either of these requirments (one of the reasons I advocated building the Great Library).

I still support massive cultural bombardment of our close neighbors though. Look up my War Academy Thread on Temples for more on this domination strategy.

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by carpathia
One more thing. I would like to become a member of the thinker guild.

You are, carpathia. List of staff members edited.

[Vlad Antlerkov]

IMHO, victory is victory. I'd go for either space race, diplo, or conquest. Cultural is probably impossible now, and as for domination... actually, we may well get that on the way to conquest victory

As Uber said, the only real decisions regarding conquest we may have to make are which civs go under first.

(Can I be in the Thinkers' Guild, also? )

[DAVOUT]

Originally posted by Vlad Antlerkov


(Can I be in the Thinkers' Guild, also? )

You are, Vlad. Staff members list edited.

[Panag]

Originally posted by GoodFella
All of Abananaba could be conquered and held.

Space race is a good possibility.

I still culture is out of the question. Our best shot would have been generating 20,000 culture in one of our cities, but it is too late for that now I think since we don't have and probably won't build any of the ancient high culture wonders.

hi ,

indeed it could be done , but not ALL , we should leave one small place , and even give them a second place or so later on , they can become a trade partner , we could sell old tech , and so on , we should get some money out of them in the long run

have a nice day

[Jonny]

Originally posted by panag
indeed it could be done , but not ALL , we should leave one small place , and even give them a second place or so later on , they can become a trade partner , we could sell old tech , and so on , we should get some money out of them in the long run

The problem with that is if they only had one or two cities, they wouldn't be making any money, so they wouldn't have any, so it would be beneficial to totally kill them instead of letting them live. And by then, we will probably know where the other civs are anyway.

[Spiffor]

Spaceship is the way to go !
Do we want the historians to remeber us as the worse barbaric and genocidal people who ever existed, or do we want the world to be in awe with our science and enlightement ?

[Epistax]

if we win by conquest/domination, then wouldn't we be the best barbaric and genocidal people who ever existed?

[MrWhereItsAt]

No no. Just the most dominant.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Jonny


The problem with that is if they only had one or two cities, they wouldn't be making any money, so they wouldn't have any, so it would be beneficial to totally kill them instead of letting them live. And by then, we will probably know where the other civs are anyway.

hi ,

they would make enough money to pay us , ....

the "AI" always finds money , .....

later on we could even allow them to have two or three cities , and we could go to war with it ones in a while , to make great leaders , and to get elite units , .....

there are loads of reasons to keep them small and under control , .....

héhéh , .....

have a nice day

[GoodFella]

I vote for barbaric and genocidal.

[DAVOUT]

No consensus. Surprising ?

The diplomatic victory is not mentioned at all, except by Espitax who says he dislikes it absolutely !
The conquest is not recognized as possible (or acceptable?) but by Vlad.
Several posters consider that the cultural victory cannot be contemplated at this stage, but two others do not exclude it absolutely.
That leaves two types of victory considered as possible (and acceptable?) : Domination and the Space Race . Although the traits of our civ appear to facilitate the Domination, the majority would be happy with the Space Race which is also made easier by the trait Industrious.

There is a significant party (the pure gamers ?) which just want The Victory, whatever is the type, but ASAP. It is a logical attitude in a game which ends with a score heavily loaded by the date of the victory ; we could however questioned the relevance of the score in a demo game.