DIA : After the French Campaign

[Spiffor]

Hello fellow DIA members !
Here's a thread to debate on our stance, once the French war is over. Should we support more wars (esp. t finish off the Americans and the French later), or start building already ?
Should we build harbors, granaries or marketplaces ?What techs should we push for ?
Many other questions probably apply, but I didn't think of them.

This thread is intended to develop a clear policy of the DIA. As you know it, our success in the French Campaign will make builder policies very viable. OTOH, it could give us a powerhouse to build units. Thats why the debate about building / warmongering can at last happen.

Please give your opinions, so that we can build a platform !

[Inverse Icarus]

/me dresses up like timeline

yes, we should support all kinds of wars.

i say we hinder france, then completely kill america, then completely kill france, then move on to russia, babylon, rome, and iroquois.

in that order.

/me disrobes and returns to his harem.

[jdd2007]

*jdd2007 dresses up like UberKruX *

wars suck! i hate the SMC thing too. i want to be called culture pansie wimp man now. i think we should ma..

*jdd2007 sees uber, switches clothes quickly, runs*

*UberKruX finds jdd2007*

jdd2007: please, it was only a joke . no not the... ahghghg

next day

Donal Graeme: well, one less opponent...

*Glory to country though strength and honor!*

[Spiffor]

Personally, I think we should send the remnants of our swordsmen army to finish off the Yanks already, in order to secure Fragant valley within our borders. This war should be the last we declare : we'll have a significant size, and the French will be a good stamp-state against the southern threats.

In the meantime, I say we produce workers like crazy in our former American cities, as soon as they have a temple. We have a jungle to clear, and we must do this as quickly as possible. To boost our worker production, I suggest we build granaries in these cities.
When we have enough Apolytonian workers, we should integrate our slaves in cities' population. They will be 2-4 times more efficient there than in the jungle. Since we'll have 3 luxuries at this time (and possibly 4, if we buy from Persia), population control will be less of a problem.
Del Monte is an exception : as soon as the temple is built, we should start building FP there, and mine the tiles around like crazy. Raising the entertainment slider is an option, if it means more people working on shields. Our chances to get a leader aren't very high (we can expect something like 6 fights during the French war, and I don't think any of our troops is elite already), so we must make shields the soonest possible.

In our core cities, we should build marketplaces as soon as we get currency, and libraries when Literacy has been discovered. Marketplaces will do great re our luxuries, as we'll get 4 happy faces instead of 3, and possibly 6 happy faces if we buy spices from the Persians. It will allow all our cities to grow to size 6 without problems. It will also allow us to raise our tech slider.
A harbor in BHQ would be more than nice, as it'll allow trade with neighbours.


On the international level, we should now try to appease our neighbours (who are almost all annoyed at us), while protecting our border cities with many upgradable defensive units.
We should give gifts to the AI, trade resources and luxuries to those who aren't an immediate threat. We should favor GPT deals. I also think (Many will probably disagree) we should give in to the AI's demands, to improve their stance towards us. Systematically giving better deals to the AI (ie, not haggling) will also slowly improve their stance towards us.
We should open embassies everywhere, and sign RoPs with everybody who wants, even if it means some money thrown in it.
The goal is to avoid war, and to find allies easily, should war happen.


The regime we should strive for is Republic, because of the science / money it allows. It will be at the expense of our military, but not too much. It will be a fabulous path to our economical and industrial superiority.

[Donal Graeme]

*Preparing to ask questions about the Democratic Industrialists of Apolyton when he arrives at the Apolyton debate hall in the morning, Donal is surprised to find the body of Jdd2007 lying in a gutter nearby. He gives a a quick victory jig and says...*

Well, one less opponent...

*The next day, checking out the latest numbers from the election for Foreign Affairs Minister, Donal sees that they replaced Jdd2007's name with "abstain/banana. Yet he can't believe his eyes when he realizes that the banana is still beating him. He quickly leaves in a depressed mood. Forgetting entirely his questions about the DIA's stance on various issues.*

[notyoueither]

There is a nice vivisectionist in Termina. I'm sure jdd2007 will be put back to rights in time for any important events. All that is needed is some lightning et voila.

[UnOrthOdOx]

I would just like to say that after America is finished, I agree that there needs to be a time of re-fitting the army, and focusing on building to ensure we have a good infrastructure later. We will be in a position where we don't NEED to go to war, and should prepare for the day we get knights and can go to war with an advantage again.

[Harovan]

I think one more war (France) is necessary. Not counting 2 more to kill off the Americans and French, but these won't be like wars, more like a slaughter. Then we should rest and build up.

Knights are for Greeks and Germans, may be Persians and Russians.

[UnOrthOdOx]

Two more on America? I say it depends on how much they REX at this point. If, when the time comes, they cannot offer us any more cities for peace, we may as well finish them. A second one on France will likely be needed, but at that point, we may need to fear them pulling in someone else. It all depends on the situation at that time.

[Donal Graeme]

Thie important thing will be to keep them down, so as to make it impossible for the French to "pay" other nations to declare war on us. If either the Germans or Greeks get involved, things could get dicey. Without Immortals, the Persians aren't a prob, along with the English. Everyone else is too far away. Hopefully the war will have been won by then, and we can set up a welcoming committee.

[Spiffor]

It's nice to see so many DIA mebers here : Uber, jdd, Unortho... Our party is really bigger than I thought .

Come on DIA members ! Will you allow only UFCs and INDs to discuss the future of our nation ? Will you allow them to say "further war are necessary" in a thread for OUR party ? Please express your views, the DIA needs you.

[GePap]

I agree with you Spiffor that after we are done wth the French and Americans we need to build up, or we will fall sadly behind to the Greeks (whom even te warmongers refuse to fight for a lang time), the Aztecs, English, and Romans, who are simly to far away, and we have no clue about the 4 other 'missing' civs and what they are up to.

I think that SirRaplh is right that it will take about 2 more wars wth the American, and I don't think, uness the Americans take it very slowly, that we might ever just wipe them out, since they have the entire ivory coast to fil especially after they make a city in that 3 wheat on flooplains site and churn out population like crazy.Also, our first war plan will still leave france to refortify, so unless the second war is fast aftr the first, the French wll not be so simple. I also think that Germany will soon be our biggest threat, not Persia or Greece, and we have to develop internally to be strong enough.

We need more temples, I think we need harbors, to exploit the sea, and we need oto explore. The problem I see is that even with 2 wines, incense, and the dyes, we will still not have much of an export Market. Wines are all over the place and we will compete with Persia for the incense markets in the north. I also say we need more cities in mpty sace, to maximize population and production, and we need more workers to pick up the jungle clearing pace.

[Trevman]

After France, we MUST expand quickly. Then we need to build and develop the land and probably move our capital. Hopefully, we'll be able to move the center of our empire away from this cursed jungle.

[Ninot]

It's nice to see so many DIA mebers here : Uber, jdd, Unortho... Our party is really bigger than I thought .

Come on DIA members ! Will you allow only UFCs and INDs to discuss the future of our nation ? Will you allow them to say "further war are necessary" in a thread for OUR party ? Please express your views, the DIA needs you.

Ya know, personally, I have stated I am against a war on France. Im not against war totally, just i dont think angering France is our ticket to the top. Id prefer Persia or just about anyone else.

And, well, im going along with what is public sentiment, but id like to just point out something
oh, and this IS a DIA thread, so I will post AS a DIA member...


We have a governmental majority, we CAN use it to make our own decisions, instead of nodding our heads to everything Uber says is wise. (no offense to Uber, but he IS POSTING IN OUR THREAD!!! , that dumb war grunt!!!!)

I mean, not in an un-democratic way, but we do have quite a bit of power. And so far, us peace-whores (for a lack of a better word) are the only party to hold a majority, and the only party to head into a war (well.. they go together, but still...)

I mean, weve been accused of being wishy-washy in our goals... and so far weve been a tool of the UFC. we CAN make our own decisions. We are a builder party, and dare I say we were elected cuz of it. Where are our party principles?

I grow tired of seing half a dozen french war ideas on the threads every day. where is the builder-representation?

just my rant

[Epistax]

Ninot we know of Joan's influence over you. 'Attack the immortals' sure it sounds good when she says it. Hell anything sounds good when she whispers it to you laying on your satin sheets.

She has you like this:
We need you like this:
So you can be this:

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