Apolyton Court Case 1: civman2000 vs jdd2007

[jdd2007]

another thing: you cannot declare this issue an official court case any more than i can. we have to decide if the issue is worth being heard in the highest (and lowest )court of the nation. you can ask that -I- be charged with this b***s***, but you cant make it happen without the justices agreeing to see the case.

[UnOrthOdOx]

civman, in all fairness, the Bill of Rights may have passed, but it is not officially added to the CoL yet. Therefore, any case based on such could be called invalid. Also, is it your position that the BoR is to be made RETROACTIVE? jdd's poll was made BEFORE the BoR was passed, therefore should not be bound by said BoR. Unless, of course, you claim jdd should have known the future?

And jdd, I will gladly represent your defense, for a trivial fee...

[MrWhereItsAt]

Well, ah, despite the thread being labelled the 1st court case, civman DID request in his post that the justices look at it (although that request was some way into his post).

Let's not let our emotional accusations get the better of us here people, for that is what I see happening here. I am as guilty of this now as anyone, and I believe jdd is fully understanding of the problems here, and I know that civman is just as level-headed.

Let's thrash this idea out in debate where it becomes fully clear BEFORE an official poll is put up. Call the thread a "Prescursor to official poll", or something so we know it is not just another thread to ignore (which I did ).

/me wipes his eyes

Can't we all just get along?

[jdd2007]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
civman, in all fairness, the Bill of Rights may have passed, but it is not officially added to the CoL yet. Therefore, any case based on such could be called invalid. Also, is it your position that the BoR is to be made RETROACTIVE? jdd's poll was made BEFORE the BoR was passed, therefore should not be bound by said BoR. Unless, of course, you claim jdd should have known the future?

And jdd, I will gladly represent your defense, for a trivial fee...

i was thinking about defending myself, but i would be glad for your help. your hired at 5 bananas a day

[UnOrthOdOx]

Well, jdd acted in the same fashion as many of our officials have, he was just following tradition. Many of the prepoll discussions are ignored just as much and the debate is only begun once the poll is made.

[GodKing]

The court must agree to hear a case. By my understanding, they have not yet, so this isn't a case yet, just a debate.

The issue IMO jdd2007 was getting at is an important one. I agree with him that the system as it currently stands is screwey. It needs some sort of revisions. Judging by the voting in this poll, 9 said no, 9 abstianed, and only 5 or 6 voted for changing. Obviously, the majority either doesn't like these proposed changes, or doesn't care. Fine. jdd2007 obviously doesn't want to exclude anyone unfairly. And by his statements, he is sorry for having this turn out this way.

civman2000. You are right in the technicalities of this issue. However, the way you have gone about this is poorly thought out. It appears, unintentionally I do believe, that you are attacking jdd2007 personally. I know that this is not what you intended.

So both you, please, look at what is going on here. Sit down, recognize each of you is both right and wrong, in different regards. Appologize to eachother. Offer to buy each other a beer (or coca-cola, or coffee, or whatever) the next time you are in eachothers home town. Peace.

Thanks.

[jdd2007]

right on, brother. except one thing: 5 or 6 people did not vote yes, 5 and 6 people voted yes...

[UnOrthOdOx]

The thread that is linked to, however, only presents a discussion and does not clearly say what importance these signups would have.

Actually, the poll specifically states that these signups would REPLACE THE CURRENT CENSUS. That is their importance.

Clause 2: No citizen shall ever be denied the right to vote in any poll.

The poll does not claim to deny anyone a right to vote. While some favor comming up with such a plan, that is entirely out of the hands of us and in the hands of the mods and gods. Such a plan should also be voted upon before implimentation. The poll here was specifically for censuses and determining ACTIVE citizens.

[Sheik]

jdd2007 you did nothing wrong and I feel that your poll was clear and is not invalid. The question you posted in the poll was fine and I think it is somethig that must be discussed. I am glad you posted it.

[Harovan]

Welcome to the Bureaucracy game of Apolyton . You have my support, jdd2007.

[jdd2007]

thank you sheik for the support, but even if i win this case, civman will have damaged my reputation considerably.

[Aro]

Sheik,
Even if he did ( I'm not saying that), we are in the very beginning of our Constitutional system. I'm confused with all this legal stuff. The real goal of a court is make justice. IMHO, Mr. Jdd2007 was well intentioned and don't deserves any punition.


Edit: BTW, I voted "No, keep the current system".

[FrustratedPoet]

What good does this do the game?

Even if jdd2007 broke some technical part of the rules, he clearly didn't mean to cause any harm and nor, in fact, did he cause harm.

Originally posted by civman2000
Second, I will not allow the Bill of Rights to EVER be violated .

civman2000: if you want to be a lawyer then there a plenty of college courses that you could apply to.

[Togas]

My hope is that someone from The Court will drop in and post to this thread that they have declined to hear "Civman2000 vs jdd2007" and end this speculation and misuse of the court. This issue is moot.

jdd2007's poll, while saying "official" does not actually change the laws, it just gages the opinion of the people into one "official" poll.

If jdd2007 had created a law that violated the Bill of Rights and Constitution, then we'd have an issue. There'd be a conflict of laws and one would have to be invalid. At THAT point The Court would have to step in to determine which law was, in fact, the will of the people.

Since there clearly is no conflict right now as to the state of the law, no one's rights are currently being violated, and nothing illegal is being done, this isn't a viable case.

--Togas

p.s. I would prefer, in the future, that The Court itself post case threads and that citizens PM possible cases to The Court for submission.

[Aggie]

Togas I agree with you. As we all know it is tradition not to here moot cases and this is definitely moot, since it changed nothing in our nation(it even failed to pass). Also civman and jdd2007, it is also traditional that courts try to get people who have such a disagreement to work it out privately and peacefully. One more thing( I know I go on and on) jdd2007, this challenge to your poll in no way lowers mine or anybody elses opinion of you, even civman still has a good opinion of you I believe. I hope he says so to sooth any hurt feelings. Know lets go bonk some american heads.
Aggie