THe real OFFICIAL poll: Bill of Rights

[civman2000]

jdd: I think that is covered in freedom of speech.

Timeline: Not so. Everything is based on how many votes the "yes" options get, that is all that really matters. IIRC, you were the one that made me pointlessly also have no options. If someone votes abstain AND votes yes for all the options, the abstain is really banana and they're jokingly voting for it. If they don't vote at all in any option they actually are abstaining, and the vote count is increased by one, so abstains are counted by just looking at the yes votes.

[Harovan]

This poll is ridiculous. 39 voters so far, and if Civman wouldn't bump it permanently, it would be already hidden at page 5. Nobody seems even to care to read through this stuff. For a constitutional amendment, that is pretty unpopular.

[Apocalypse]

I just don't think many people are voting right now. My election thread has only 34 votes.

[Epistax]

Well in relation to the discussion over a quroum of the legislature (all of us) voting... our census right now is 53. Does this mean over half voted?

I don't see how we can establish a number of voters needed when the number we have is changing all the time.

Well there I go, this topic is now on 3 or 4 threads.

[Apocalypse]

35 votes in my election thread now.

What I suggest is use the census from the previous week. To be honest, I really don't care much either way about this minimum vote though.

[Timeline]

I don't even bother voting in the census anymore, I think alot of others don't too.

[Apocalypse]

Then the best solution would be just to drop the issue of a minimum vote as there is nothing else to base it on.

[Captain]

IIRC, in Phoenatica, they base it on some percentage of the # of participants in their most recent Presidential election. I'm not sure what that % is.

btw, I only have 45 votes or so in my nomination confirmation/approval poll.

[Kramerman]

In the impeachment process amendment that is being worked on, on what we have so far, there is a poll where only the High court justices vote. Would this interfere with the 2nd clause of this ammendment? Im not going to vote for or against that clause, though i dont think my vote in that case would really matter.

Kman

civman, can you reall pass amendments by clauses like this? hmmmm, clever.

[civman2000]

It is not a poll. A poll is something made as a poll at apolyton using the forum feature, that will be an in-court vote without actually making a thread with a poll.

[civman2000]

Kman: I could have done the exact same thing by passing each independently with its own poll but I think this way is simplerand more efficient.

[Sheik]

Should there be an amendment that says we have the right to not speak at a trial? Does the court have the right to question people and do we have to answer?

[Epistax]

I believe the court is only allowed to question the plainteff and defendent, and there's nothing stating either side has to answer. Of course not answering would be just about the worst thing to do for your case (getting caught in a lie would be about the only thing worse).

These aren't the opinions of the court, we haven't discussed this yet. Should the court be able to request someone's presence?

I don't think the court would refuse to hear from anyone, unless it became frivolous (many people making statements that don't matter, or used as a delay).

I'll look this up and may edit my post.

[civman2000]

hmmm...when this was drafted the details of the court were still very far from being resolved, but a "Bill of Rights II" dealing with protecting defendants and with maybe a right or two I think of that needs including.

[civman2000]

POLL CLOSED! All clauses except clause 7 passed. The following shall be added to the constitution:

Amendment IV: Bill of Rights

Clause 1: No person shall be denied the right to become a citizen of Apolytonia.

Clause 2: No citizen shall ever be denied the right to vote in any poll.

Clause 3: Free speech shall not be abridged unless it violates apolyton rules.

Clause 4: No one shall be banned permanently from participating in the democracy game, excluding those who are permanently banned from apolyton. Note that people may still be banned for any amount of time, as long as it is not permanent.

Clause 5: The right to associate into any form of organization shall not be denied.

Clause 6: No citizen may be punished in any way without due process of law.

Clause 7: The government may not knowingly hide information or give false information to the people.