OFFICIAL: Raification of the Bill of Rights

[Harovan]

The worst about this poll is, that his beloved gallup polls are hidden in a freedom of speech clause . This is called deception.

[kring]

Clause 2: No citizen shall ever be denied the right to vote in any poll.

Question, if they are barred from the game, doesn't this allow them to still vote, not that I am either for or against this clause, just mentioning it. Esp. since if you could still vote, how much punishment could there be for someone barred? Also, the same would hold true for people banned from Apolyton. They would have the right to vote; they would to contact someone to get their vote counted.

Clause 4: No one shall be banned permanently from participating in the democracy game, excluding those who are permanently banned from apolyton. Note that people may still be banned for any amount of tiem, as long as it is not permanent.

It is possible that some people would need to be banned permanently; hopefully, they will be banned Apolyton if that is the case.

Clause 5: THe right to associate into any form of organization shall not be denied.

Would this also apply to justices, as well?

Clause 6: No citizen may be punished in any way without due process of law.

How would we handle a need for immediate due process if not enough justices are available?

Clause 7: No president shall ever use a version of the game which is not available to all players.

Will this include Mac players, as well. I think it would have to. The reason I bring it up is that MacSoft may not patch to 1.29, and if they do, it may be a long time. Also, what about people that choose not to patch? Sometimes, it is a dial up d/l time issue.

Also, I was noticing the poll shows 107 votes; with a maximum of 14 on 5 of them; 13 on 2 of them. How will we know if a majority is reached. An assumption would be 14 people voted, but that is not necessarily accurate. As has been pointed out by Captain, this may not be true.

Just some food for thought; as well as a request for clarification.

[MrWhereItsAt]

*Ahem. If I may direct your attention to the bottom of the poll...? It reads "total 18 voters". I should think that's fairly clear how we see a majority decision.

When MarkG responds, we will know whether or not we can ban certain posters from voting for any length of time.

Wasn't there a poll on whether justices could be party members or not? This poll would give the answer. Besides, Justiceship is another layer of rules on top of these - a special case, if you will. Any and all judges should have to accept the restrictions (if any) of their position, and they would not be worthy if they challenged on a minor technical error in our Constitution.

"Immediate" due process is not immediate, but over some hours, at least 12, or so I imagine. Once again, the selection of a judge should rest partly on their (barring accidents) ability to be here often enough.

I do, however, think that we should not patch this game at all, unless something really odd comes up. My conviction in this derives from a Firaxian's statement that v1.21f saves loaded in v1.29f may experience strange effects.

I think that's everything.

[civman2000]

It is very simple how do determine the results. It has been done many times in teh civ2 game, i dont see anyone was confused.

Each one is being voted on independantly. In accordance iwth the constitution, each with 2/3 passes. The passing ones are put together into the amendment. Voting none has the exact same effect as abstain. I don't see how this poll is invalid.

[Timeline]

Originally posted by civman2000
It is very simple how do determine the results. It has been done many times in teh civ2 game, i dont see anyone was confused.

Each one is being voted on independantly. In accordance iwth the constitution, each with 2/3 passes. The passing ones are put together into the amendment. Voting none has the exact same effect as abstain. I don't see how this poll is invalid.

Because you can't vote against an option, only abstain.

[civman2000]

Well then if you want to be able to say yes no and abatain for every single option i can do that...though i'll have to use the max number of options. IOn my experience the problem with that is that some people vote for multiple options for each part instead of doing just one for each. THat's why i did it this way.

[Timeline]

No no NO!!!!

Listen, here is how you do this kind of vote:

You need 2 options for each amandement, AND ONLY 2 OR ELS IT GETS MESSED UP.


Clause 5: THe right to associate into any form of organization shall not be denied.

Yes
No

That's it. If they want to abstain they do so by voting for neither or voting for both. This way you can reject certain portions and accept others. But this poll is INVALID as it is because there is no way to REJECT a specific option and therefore your 2/3rd majority vote is skewed.

[civman2000]

you can reject an option by not voting on it and i highly doubt that it would skew anything but just so you'll stop complaining I'll make a new poll.