OFFICIAL: Raification of the Bill of Rights

[civman2000]

POLL INVALID.

Here is the poll to vote in.

[badman]

clause 4 is like: you'll go to prison for 500 years but you should be glad it's not life-long
and what do you mean with clause 6?
if somebody breaks the rules of apolyton, the admin will ban him without a trial, won't he? is that a case of clause 6? (if you understand what i want to say )

[MrWhereItsAt]

The rules of Apolyton.net are a higher authority, if you like, than any we come up with. Anything the Mods do we have no impact on. It goes without saying that actions performed on behalf of the site owners are excluded from these rights.

Look at these as rights within the rules of Apolyton.net itself.

[civman2000]

clause 6 is about demogame specific rules.

Looks like this is pretty popular! all are making it so far. Only one i have serious doubts about is #4

[Captain]

civman, a technical question... (possibly "legal" question)

I don't understand how you're going to determine which clauses pass. 2/3 of what? total votes? but people can vote for more than 1 clause. Right now, it's something like 12 votes for the most popular, but the total is 60+ votes. You'll never get it passed that way.

Example: Say I vote for only 1 out of 8 of them, say the first. But Buddy votes for 8 out of 8. Then the first would have 100%, and every other one 50%... right?

But how do you know whether it's that case or whether 9 people voted, 2 for the first, and everyone else for just 1. In that case, it would be 2/9, and 1/9 for every other one.

I assume you would have to count them all against the total number of voters, not votes cast (which is contrary to how most polls have been done), if you wanted it to be fair because if I vote for only 3 of them, that means I am automatically voting against the other 5.

I'm just not sure how you're going to determine what constitutes 2/3. You may have to ask MarkG to tell you how many voters in total to get this right since that info isn't readily available.

[Timeline]

Where is the reject option?

Please don't tell me it's option 9, because you have grouped abstain with that option.

For any vote you need a clear reject option, grouping it with abstain would possibly make this poll invalid.

[Apocalypse]

I'm not going to vote.

I might be a judge so I want to manipulate something I would have great control over. Looks like this will pass fine anyway though.

[Timeline]

Originally posted by Apocalypse

I might be a judge so I want to manipulate something I would have great control over.

Hmm, power issues?

[DAVOUT]

Clause 4 : non permanent must be replaced by a time limit, for instance 100 turns of the game but no more than 275 (which is 50% of the maximum possible number of turns I think).

Clause 5 : I would say '... any legal form of organisation ...'

[MrWhereItsAt]

Apoc - judges have the right to vote too - that's why I voted

Captain - a good point, but it appears that everyone who votes is approving at least a few of these, so it should be fairly easy to tell how many voters there are.
In general, though, we need to be careful with this type of poll.

DAVOUT - what would an illegal organization be like?

Timeline - I'm sure our vote option has been accounted for with your post.

[Inverse Icarus]

3,5,7,8

[Apocalypse]

Originally posted by Timeline
Hmm, power issues?

Well I am abstaining in a way to show I'm not trying to make some power grab.

[Kuciwalker]

I really don't think that this poll is valid.

[Harovan]

Sure it is not valid.

[punkbass2000]

I must vote against 7. Often patches don't get to some places for a looong time. Do we really want to get stuck with 1.17? (not that that is necessarily the case, but it's hypothetical example which may be true)

Also, I think for this poll to become valid you will have to have a 'yes' option and a 'no' option for each clause, where the 'yes' option must beat the 'no' option with 2/3 of the vote for any given clause.