War Academy: Production After Case Teal

[Robber Baron]

Originally posted by Ninot
Just my opinion for submittal to the War Accademy.. France would not be the most juicy target after a war on America, thats MHO. I personally think we should consider Persia, if anyone.

Immortals? Brrrrr.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Ninot
Just my opinion for submittal to the War Accademy.. France would not be the most juicy target after a war on America, thats MHO. I personally think we should consider Persia, if anyone.

Let Bismark have his way with Persia. i'm in no mood for a 4 attack to challenge my spearmen. I'm also agaist fighting Greece, especially with archers

[GoodFella]

We'll need a smaller backup army to be built, like Uber said. We will also need a settler or two to move into the former american territory to fill in our gaps. An extra worker would be nice too. I think we should build temples in Amreica to strengthen our claims there.

The only viable targets after America as I see it now are France and Germany. Germany is too far away for a war against them to be of much use to us now. They are also militaristic, which means we'll probably face a stronger opponent (more units of better quality). France would be the best target, and Germany should be dealt with in the middle ages.

[Harovan]

I think we should build at least 2 settlers, to close the gap of an eventually autorazed city, to take full advantage of the strike. This one city will be at least half productive for now and will be better in the future. And maybe (if citizens agree) we could use one settler to secure the eastern iron. I think we should secure one source, even though the city is completely in the jungle.

Also, to get rid of overpopulation (specialists) in our productive cities, we should consider to prebuild 10 shields and then poprush a temple.

Case Teal will not fail. Usually, nations in the ancient age are willing to talk about peace in about the 8th turn after the attack was launched. Even if we miss our goal (which is highly unlikely), they can not launch a successful counterattack in this time.

[DAVOUT]

I agree with UberKrux' plan ; the american capitole will be taken as soon as it is apolytonly possible, that is when we have the best chances to succeed.

[Torkkeli]

Now, why not build Temples and enjoy the riches of Culture?!!
After all we are behind in culture...

[Guardian]

Originally posted by skywalker
We should build 2nd and 3rd Armies, as per my post in the Plan Jackal thread. We should also build a Settler and 2-3 Galleys for the Uber Gambit.

What, with only 3 or 4 productive cities??
I don't think so.
While we're busy preparing to take more land, somebody else will move back in and settle a good chunk of the land we've already taken. Thus, we're gonna have to take it a second time if we want it, and by the time we've done that and replenished our losses, our archers are going to be up against pikemen and knights...

No, we need to make sure we take full advantage of Case Teal, and we can't do that unless we consolidate our position on that land before somebody else has a chance to come in and steal it from us - which we can't do if we're too busy churning out armies for an immediate second strike.

We need to build a second, smaller army to replenish our losses and help secure our new holdings, but we also need - as Sir Ralph said - to build at least 2 settlers and maybe some temples to keep our development from stagnating. A couple of workers wouldn't hurt either.

I'm not saying we're not gonna need more land, I'm just saying we need to chew and swallow before taking another bite.

[Robber Baron]

Okay, if we do move into consolidation mode (several settlers, a modest resupply of military), does that mean our second war (against the French?) should include a horsemen in significant numbers?

[UnOrthOdOx]

I am also for at least one settler group to head over to Uber Island. Even if it happens to be a small island, it would aid us in the near future as it is not TOO far away to be totally corrupt, and could give us a needed foothold should it be a different continent. I think 2-3 settlers should be produced to consolidate our position, and a temple or two to get culture working, but army could easily fit into the gaps there.

War on France should be assesed after/near the end of this consolidation as the situation could have changed. I would be for beginning to build horsemen after the war, due to their upgrade path as well. Or even a Chariot or two to be prepared for a medieval golden age(there will still be spearmen around...)

[Donal Graeme]

We haven't even attacked America yet, and people are already talking about knocking out France?? !!

First off, something confused me. Sir Ralph talked about getting peace with America in 8 turns. First off, I though this was a war to the knife, and knife to the hilt. (Genocide, essentially). I think that leaving the Americans with any city, except philadelphia, would be a bad idea. We are going to nab Washington, and NY, but Boston happens to be in the best spot of them all. We should build 2 settlers while we are capturing D.C. and NY, and then raze Boston(its poorly positioned). Then move the two settlers in and we have two fairly effective cities.

I think that a war with France at this point would be too much. We have already taxed our resources by going for Lincoln, and frankly, Joan is the most peaceful of leaders. Ergo we want her on her border, and not someone like the Zulu. We should consolidate after Teal, and build up our empire. Then, in the early midieveal, before Gunpowder, possibily vassalize the French. IMO, however, they would be the best of possible neighbors. I think exploration should be our priority, and expansion, so that by the late midieval we are equal with everyone else, and can knock out Bismark.

[Kuciwalker]

Dear UberKruX,

I would like to enlist your support in having Apolyton build several Galleys. I plan to go on a mission of exploration to Uber Isle, but do not yet have the resources to do so. With these galleys, we could even use a strategy you proposed to settle Uber Isle.

Skywalker

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by Donal Graeme


First off, something confused me. Sir Ralph talked about getting peace with America in 8 turns. First off, I though this was a war to the knife, and knife to the hilt. (Genocide, essentially). I think that leaving the Americans with any city, except philadelphia, would be a bad idea.

Well, Ralph and others, myself included, are still advocating a mere pruning of America. It is likely that if we manage to take ALL their cities, they will respawn elsewhere on the map anyway. May as well leave them where we can get at them later. Plus, who knows what kind of cash, tech, and cities we can obtain form peace that would otherwise have been lost.

[mtgillespie]

If Uber Isle is currently empty, worse case scenario is that they could even re-spawn there

[Harovan]

Originally posted by Donal Graeme
First off, something confused me. Sir Ralph talked about getting peace with America in 8 turns. First off, I though this was a war to the knife, and knife to the hilt. (Genocide, essentially). I think that leaving the Americans with any city, except philadelphia, would be a bad idea. We are going to nab Washington, and NY, but Boston happens to be in the best spot of them all. We should build 2 settlers while we are capturing D.C. and NY, and then raze Boston(its poorly positioned). Then move the two settlers in and we have two fairly effective cities.

The thing is... you conquer more cities, if you make peace in time. It's very hard to conquer AI cities in the ancient age. As soon as they reach size 2 and are at war, they immediately poprush an archer or a spearman and are size 1 again. Since they have (except the capital) no culture at all, they will be autorazed on capture. Mostly it's possible to capture only the capital.

But, if you hit the AI hard by taking a city (the capital) and (auto)razing another, it will give you most likely a city for peace. A city, that otherwise would have been autorazed if we attacked it, we get for free, without battle. Sometimes even 2! The biggest skill during war in Civ3 is not to fight well with your forces and attack a lot of cities, but to make peace in time, when it is most profitable. Check often the diplomenu during war, see, what they are willing to give you for peace, and if it does not match your expectations, just fight one more turn.

Now, if you leave the AI intact (with 1-2 cities), they will build 2 more cities in the next 20 turns. They are much weaker than you and won't attack, don't worry. After 20 turns the peace treaty expires and can be cancelled. War again, take 1 city, raze one and/or get one for peace, rinse, repeat. Simple and effective. You "grow" into his territory, leaving him with a maximum of 4-5 cities. If you kill the civ too early, you won't get these benefits.

Now, what will you do in the 20 turns you have to wait for the peace treaty to expire? Simple! Pick on another civ. France.

[DAVOUT]

Quite convincing, provided the Germans using our 20 turns of peace do not take what we have left.