Ministry of the Military Campaign Thread

[Random Entity]

Here are the current candidates:

Random Entity

I'll update this list as others join the race. This (as you could expect) is a thread for those in the Military Advisor race to post their positions and debate.

[Random Entity]

It's a fragile time for Apolytonia. As our country draws ever closer to impending war, many factors should be taken into consideration. For the record, the DIA is not a completely pacifist party. We do support military plans such as Case Pink, for example, and we feel that some military action is necessary given our current position.

However, I believe that too much military force could eventually spell defeat for Apolytonia. The current Military Minister, UberKrux, shows far too much aggression in his actions. If he remains in his position, it's very likely that hasty and unplanned military procedures will take place. Yes, there are benefits to being an unstoppable foe, but the negatives are ever apparent: If we focus too much on military buildup, our nation's cultural and domestic values will whither. If we spread our forces too thin, we'll be easily defeated by others. Apolytonia needs a Military Advisor that can make calm and rational decisions based on our situation.

I am aware that I have little chance to win this election. But, citizens of Apolytonia, I urge to to consider one thing. UberKrux has boasted about his label as a 'genocidal maniac'. Stalin was a genocidal maniac. Would you have Stalin in command of your nation's military? Make the level-headed choice.

[notyoueither]

Making comparisons of your opponent with certain historical figures is tacky.

[Random Entity]

It may be considered tacky to some, but there are always consistencies in history. Just something to consider.

[UnOrthOdOx]

The current Military Minister, UberKrux, shows far too much aggression in his actions.

Um, examples?

Was it changing his plans to fit the will of the people? Was it accepting, even asking advice on our current situation?

If he remains in his position, it's very likely that hasty and unplanned military procedures will take place.

He has said several times we are not currently prepared. He has given great care in NOT being irrational so far. Again, I ask for examples that show you this is where things are headed.

If we focus too much on military buildup, our nation's cultural and domestic values will whither

So, give us YOUR VIEW, do not come in here bashing current administration. What IS a good balance? How many units do YOU consider an adequate force? How much finance (% upkeep/support) do you believe should be allotted to the military? Focus on the issues of THIS position, do not make this into an overall party agenda platform.

[Robber Baron]

Random:
Do you support Case (Blue)? When specifically would you advocate going to war, and with whom? The Americans? If so, how many archers/spearmen should make up the attacking force?
Let's talk specifics here. I'm sensing that our War Minister might have a lot on his hands soon.

[Random Entity]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx

Um, examples?

Was it changing his plans to fit the will of the people? Was it accepting, even asking advice on our current situation?

He has said several times we are not currently prepared. He has given great care in NOT being irrational so far. Again, I ask for examples that show you this is where things are headed.

"Glory Comes From Spilt Blood"? Do you call this objective and irrational? It is clear Uber considers war the 'beggining and the end' of our game. It would likely be very dangerous to have someone with such intense emotions lead many of our troops into needless battle.

MY view is that, once we execute Case Pink (or the current military plan), we play a defensive game that for the most part consists of a three or four unit city defense that will be upgraded whenever possible.
I just want to avoid any military action that would lead to our own defeat, and leave more of the budget to things like improvements, non-military unit production, and science. If we form a strong infrastructure, we will only need enough units so that a few can guard each city.
This isn't to say that the only military units should be in the cities. I DO support near-future troop movements, because if we ever plan to build our infrastrucutre we first need to gain more territory. The best time to go to war would be before either rival nation could build a strong enough defense to counter us. A plan that would garner us significant portions of America or France should suffice. Case Pink, and it's outline for Apolytonia's military future, is a well-thought plan that should suit our needs.
Uber has stated many times that if he suffers a defeat it would be because of another minister's incompetence, or because he hadn't been given enough troops. That is an absurd excuse in my opinion.
An effective military commander should be able to win with what he is given. I will use our troops to maximize survivability, and not waste them needlessly.

[Timeline]

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Random Entity


The current Military Minister, UberKrux, shows far too much aggression in his actions. If he remains in his position, it's very likely that hasty and unplanned military procedures will take place.

i'd like you to cite one in-game action to support this fact please. did i attack the french settler stack? no.

[Inverse Icarus]

i believe you all know my platform already, and you've seen what i've done in office. i proposed plans, abandoned them after the public disagreed, and asked for support from the community.

after my plea to the people, sir ralph and nye and others helped to develop case pink (or teal), and the community has rallied behind it.

i'm not going to take shots at random entity, because i see no reason to.

the two of us are ideologically different. i'm in favor in early wars to prune / eliminate our enemies, and to secure a large empire. the early wars are the most important, and i do not intend to drop the ball.

i'll refresh you a little bit on my platform:

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Originally posted by Spiffor
How do you consider yourself ?
- The defender of our culture and industry
- The expander of our riches
- The guide to our consuest victory

if i had to choose one, i would say the expander of our riches.

my views on the miliraty aspect of civ are mostly offensive for the purpose of "manifest destiny" and resource aquisation. if we need horses, i dont mind smacking around the chinese to get them.

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I am also in favor in signing Military Alliances with AI civs, so long as they aren't in my plans for domination .

if an AI civ isnt on our main continent, and is close enough to an enemy to annoy them, i'd be HAPPY to sign an military alliance, which not only helps the war front a little, it makes our two nations bond closer

i do NOT condone mutual protection pacts. again, it's not my final call, but i should have a decent say in this area. i dont want to commit troops to defend our neighbors unless the neighbor has provided us with a service (techs, resources) for a long time (trustworthy), bows before our might, and the diplo people wont let me crush them.

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Originally posted by Captain
Would Candidate Uberkrux be willing to share with the public what his ideal units-to-cities ratio would be?

What would be your ratio of defenders-to-cities and how large of an offensive "expeditionary" force would you aim to achieve?

Do you station troops inside cities for extra defense, or on borderlands to prevent pillaging?

Do you condone pillaging or razing of cities?

Are your offensive tactics centred on the goal of capturing cities and resources (denying production) or of destroying armies (targeting dangerous units)?

What percentage of our GNP would you suggest for military maintenance?

Are you a barracks or a walls proponent?

2:1 at least (offensive). larger cities should build more units because fo increased production.

i usually station 2 defenders in important / border cities (spearman + warrior will due for a while).

in the beginning of the game (my term) i station units IN cities, because movement is often restirced.

i not only CONDONE pillaging, i order it. pillaging roads to resources and key irigation / mines is essential to fighting any war.

i am for the razing of cities if the cities are either:
IN OUR BORDERS or IN A "WRONG" SPOT

the imperial expansion minister shall aid me in determing if the AI has build a city in a bad spot

i am for total emilination of enemies, especially those on our home continent. i will often engage in "pillage wars", but they will only be small teams in addition to the main army taking out the cities.

GNP in a Despotism or monarchy early in the game shouldnt exceed 20% because you ge "free" units.

in a democracy or republic, the military should comprise anywhere from 30% to 60% of our GNP.

i have to choose between walls and barracks? i choose barracks.

hopefully our city planner will make the cities reach 7 real quick

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obviously, our continent is rather large, and my old plans for manifest destiny are becomming less feasible. i still believe that we should secure a large portion of the continent for our glorious empire.

this post brought to you by supreme military commander UberKruX. Glory Comes From Spilt Blood. Heil Apolyton.

[UnOrthOdOx]

I thank you for laying out your ideas, finally. (random, that is)

I still suggest that it could have been done better without openly attacking current administration, but I have seen that being polite is not always on political agenda for many, so will let that pass.

Again, you are turning this into a party politic stand, however. Uber, however much he talks (which is mostly role-playing for those who haven't caught on) has been nothing but reasonable so far IN HIS ACTIONS. But, that is IMO. Remember, you are running for Military Minister. You bring up real life examples in your argument, so I will now use some myself. There is no military advisor ANYWHERE who would suggest anything such as a 'defensive game'. The way I see it, the Military Minister is there to PROMOTE military, and THEN do what is best with what he has been given. It is the job of the military to be prepared for an offensive, not to plan the best defense. Your units per city will not leave us prepared with enough standing military to launch any form of attack (or counter attack) at any of our enemies. You plan to execute case Pink (or Blue, whatever) and then go on defense? Why not continue on to the next target? Do you support oscilating wars?

These are my own opinions, however. You will not get my vote, not because of party issues, but because I see the Military Minister, ALL Ministers for that matter, as needing to advocate for their own field. I do not expect, or accept, a Military Minister who is content to 'play defense'. The Minister must make due with what he is given, that does not mean he shouldn't ask for more. Uber has done both.

"The best defense is a good offense"

[Captain]

Uber's rhetoric is one thing... but his actual course of action has been pretty good so far. His record speaks for itself.

Sometimes he's a bit brusque, but I'd rather have a crass general glorying in blood if he keeps us secure than a gentlemen general who doesn't. Besides, his antics are entertaining!

although I am not a hawk, I would like to see Uber keep his position until at least Case Pink/Blue is carried through. Continuity is important to a smooth execution.

Also, I think the war ministry requires hawkishness, since I generally support peaceful builders for the other posts. There must be balance.

[Robber Baron]

It seems to me Uber's been far from bloodthirsty here. Remember that as we've discovered more civs, he's adjusted his stance coolly and professionally. More like a cold-blooded killer than a rabid war-monger.
(I mean that in the best possible sense. )
No, what strikes me as being inflammatory here is Random's rhetoric.

[Captain]

yes, politics is a dirty game

mudslinging is entertaining but I think it's had more of a negative effect for random's cause than positive
but I'm glad random's running, wouldn't want Uber to be completely unopposed...

[History Guy]

UberKrux must be our next Supreme Commander of the Military. This Random Entity man seems to be exaggerate the cases to gain himself the vote. His attempts to smear the good name of our Commanding General are in vain however. UberKrux will win! (The crowd claps enthusiastically for twelve hours straight)