Ministry of the Military Campaign Thread

[Spiffor]

UberKrux, although being a competent SMC, is not as perfect as some UFCs might think.
He vehemently tried to extend his powers at the expense of the city planner (by posting a not-so-legitiamte poll about letting conquered cities to the SMC for a time). He also tried to get in the way of the minister of Science by posting several polls intended to get the wheel (Tassadar made a true, official and objective poll after this).

If this was "just a game", only actions would matter. But this si democracy game, and Democracy is also about speeches. In our great Democracy Game, rhetorics does matter. Keep this in mind when you'll vote.

Even if there is some mud slinging, Random Entity shows responsibility in his positions, acknowledging war when it's needed, but he'll not uselessly petition for more units when we won't need them. This way, the city planner will go for more urgent tasks without interference. This is what I call responsibility. This is what I cal teamwork.

[Ninot]

As an outsider currently.. I must say the following.

In his job, Uber has been extremely competent. I don't think much better could have been done by anyone up to date.

By that, I would give him my vote almost instantaneously.

However...

It is true that some of his attempts out of the game have had a tendency to look like they may take power away from other offices for his own office's benefit. I disagree with what those attempts would have accomplished, but I can't full out say Uber was wrong for doing them. He DID make rational points, and they were generally for the military benefit of our nation. It IS his job to keep our military interests safe, even at the cost of other ministers. I dont think it wrong at all to have ministers trying to keep their offices working in tip top shape. I think it is sad that it might reflect badly upon Uber that he was trying to make future SMC's jobs easier.

I like to see ministers battling over control of what might interest them. I think it is very much in the interest of the nation that we have ministers that not only cooperate, but are always looking out for their own interests.

Remember, Uber was elected SMC, not the City guy. He shouldnt care if the City guy has a harder job.. he should only care that we are safe. It is the city guy's job to tell the SMC to shutup if he is overstepping his bonds. It is not our job to frown upon anyone for trying to do a better job, as Uber has done.

Interesting, this campaign will be.

[notyoueither]

Will you be able to devote the time necessary to do a good job for the time of your term? Or will managing your estates, shopping for slaves, or some other preoccupation (RL) take you away from us?

2nd question, for the important positions... What levels of difficulty have you regularly won Civ3 at?

[Inverse Icarus]

i've won at emperor two times, but i usually play monarch when i want a fun game. i find the monarch level challenging, and i dont see TOO MUCH blatent AI cheating.

over the next few months, i have the following plans:

July 9th -11th: i will be at an orientation session for my college.

August 20th: I leave for college, it may take me a little while to get settled.

and we're workign on my trip to firaxis HQ, but that should only be a day or two.

[Inverse Icarus]

and back to me expanding my powers, yes, i have been doing that.

why? because it's in the best interests of the military, and my job is to assure everything that is the best for our military.

if we conquer a city, and our civ's units are at risk due to culture flip etc, the SMC should have the right to take charge and starve people out of the city and / or build walls or more units. The poll i put up passed (more voted yes than no, but the yes's were scattered).

another thing that i did was i got the SMC many of the powers enumerated to him/her by the constitution (or whatever we call it), and i quote:

This officer is the principal military advisor to the President and the people, and prepares military plans and reviews overall military requirements for our nation. He/She also has the responsibility to assess threats to the security of the country and keep everyone up to date on these threats.

The Military Advisor is granted the power to set up the army's strategy. He tells what troops to move where, and which battles to engage.

The Military Advisor is granted the right to take an active part in negotiations of Peace Treaties, Mutual Protection Pacts, or a Right of Passage agreements. (Note: The Foreign Advisor calls the shots, but the Military Advisor must have his voice heard).

if i had not pushed for the third clause, our units could be in serious danger. imagine if the man controling the units had o say in a MPP, and all of a sudden we're fighting a 2 front war we werent ready for?

Yet another power i pushed for was reguardign sea transportation. It started off as a simple question, but i gave again gained power for my office. the SMC has the power to "comission" ships to any department that needs them for specific tasks, as well as just assigning them for "general" purposes.

for example, if the IE Minister needs to transport a settler, i may give him a boat for the duration of the mission, or i may give him a boat for all hsi future endavors.

in general, i am gaining power not for myself, as you make it out to be, but for my office and for the military in general. i believe the general apolytonian public believe the SMC post is best filled by someone willing to fight for what needs to be done.

[Spiffor]

UberKrux :
We might have different views on what a minister should do. I consider a minister should not defend the interests of his office, but the interests of the empire.

In my campaign, I promise not to push for marketplaces before we can afford them. Although marketplaces would do better for my office than more units, I know the empire needs military for the time being.

Keeping the superior interests of the empire in mind is the trademark of a minister. You have merits as SMC, but this is a flaw of yours, compared to Random Entity

[Robber Baron]

Originally posted by Spiffor
UberKrux :
We might have different views on what a minister should do. I consider a minister should not defend the interests of his office, but the interests of the empire.

Actually, at this point in the game, I see our most pressing need as a strong military capacity, to gain ground.
Later on, we willl need a more balanced approach, definitely. (Including marketplaces, most definitely -- I'm with Vel on this strategy point.)
But for the coming term, the interests of our SMC coincide closely with those of our little empire as a whole. I definitely want a strong advocate at the helm in the War Ministry for a vigorous ancient era war effort.

[Panag]

hi ,

intresting to see how some people talk about our current "officer" , .....lets not forget somethings , ...

the elections are to fast , so are the terms , by the time you learn how it goes , you are faced with elections , ...

three or two months should be smarter , ...

given the level and position of our great civilization , Uber has done great work , ....

and we dont even have seen war , ...

have a nice day

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by panag
Uber has done great work , ....

and we dont even have seen war , ...

Couldn't that be viewed as an oxymoron?

[LordImpact]

Uber has done a good job as far as I can see. I think he has taken the neccessary steps to gear up for the upcoming war. And we all know that in times of mobilization, the military is granted more power. I would support Uber if he tried to gain even more power. He needs to do whatever it takes to ensure victory over America. I dont have a problem with him doing this as long as he relinquishes some of the powers he has taken once the war is over.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by LordImpact
Uber has done a good job as far as I can see. I think he has taken the neccessary steps to gear up for the upcoming war. And we all know that in times of mobilization, the military is granted more power. I would support Uber if he tried to gain even more power. He needs to do whatever it takes to ensure victory over America. I dont have a problem with him doing this as long as he relinquishes some of the powers he has taken once the war is over.

Personally, I feel that 5 Warriors makes our military quite lacking, and I hold UK directly responsible.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Trip

Personally, I feel that 5 Warriors makes our military quite lacking, and I hold UK directly responsible.

hi ,

, okay , get more cities that can build them , ....

maybe with the elections you should be the minister of defense , and UberKruX president , ......

always intresting , ....

the terms are to short , ....

have a nice day

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by panag
maybe with the elections you should be the minister of defense , and UberKruX president , ......

All in good time, Citizen Panag, all in good time...

[Panag]

Originally posted by Trip

All in good time, Citizen Panag, all in good time...

hi ,

but for now you are the president , that is with a capital "P" , .....

and you are doing it good , you should stay , ...

that is of course if you want to , ....

so who else is going for the office of the military , ....

always so many people who talk about "if i had the chance" , ....well , here it is , ....

and for the new citizen's , come on , you never know

have a nice day

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by panag
but for now you are the president , that is with a capital "P" , .....

You didn't capitalize it Panag.

and you are doing it good , you should stay , ...

Vote for me then!

that is of course if you want to , ....

Of course, one more term.

so who else is going for the office of the military , ....

A fellow by the name of LordImpact.

always so many people who talk about "if i had the chance" , ....well , here it is , ....

Indeed.

Chance to do what, by the way?

and for the new citizen's , come on , you never know

What about them?

have a nice day

Of course I will.