Debate : Rules for turnchat

[Fatwreck]

Originally posted by UberKruX
thats exactly what we did... no one joined the room though

That´s reeeeally strange considering the "advertisment" for that room was: All the ministers join the ministerschatroom (or whatever the name was)... if I knew I as a simple citizen could join that chatroom of the nobles i would... so shame on u guys ...

Murder the Goverment! Murder the goverment! Murder the Goverment... And theeeeen... do it again yeah! //Murder The Goverment - NOFX

[ManicStarSeed]

Does it really matter?

The way I see it...

We all get a the same save game. Lets face it there is only one official game, the one that the Prez is playing. We can easily play along and allow randomness to introduce some error, but the way things are going, I do not know if any one session will go so many turns that it would matter much. Maybe a little. But it does not matter. There is only one thing going on, the game the prez is playing. consider the rest battlefield rumors.

anyway...
If the turnchat goes on too long. The prez can save the game and post it live for people to catch up with reality.

[disorganizer]

you post-proposal would be good. especially when war arrises, as then the results of the random seed will fully show their potential of confusion ("use the 2nd warrior" "which one?" "of this one! it died 3 turns before"...).

to the chat-organization:
what about having
a) a citizen chatroom with full talking capability, where citizens can talk about that they want. the president also posts the descriptions for the turn there. citizen spot-polls are also held in there.
b) a miniter-chatroom, where only ministers are voiced, but where every citizen can listen, but not talk? if a citizen requests being voiced for important information, the president can decide to let him have voice in there (so the pres and vice have to be ops).

[Spiffor]

About playing along :
the more I think of it, the more I think the Prez should post a save twice per turn. Once at the very beginning of the turn, so that ministers can think their decisions, once at the very end of the turn, so that ministers can make needed decisions in the interturn time (this involves mostly Foreign advisor, but the foreign advisor has to consult pretty everyone)

When things get more complex, it will be impossible for ministers to do their duties and play along at the same time. I think this solution is the most fit.

[Timeline]

There is no need to do that now....

We have had very problems with play along so far, maybe once we start ecnountering them more frequently we can start updating saves every turn.

For now, it's unnecessary and will just slow us down imho.

[GePap]

bans or kicks?

I am somewhat skeptical about bans and kicks:

Personally, I did not find the two chatrooms (actualy three, but what the hey) to bee too distracting. I am fine with one chatbox only for minister posting and one for the general public. The general public can look in on the ministers but can't post there.

On bans and kicks, Obviously, people who break certain basic rules (write in colors reserved for some [hey, we have sumptuary laws!], post in min. chatroom when they are not ministers and such shold be banned, though only for the remainder of chat) but I am unclear about the circumsances under which someone would be kicked out- what cosntitutes as spamming and does only the prez and VP ge to choose who is spamming?

[disorganizer]

i would oppose kicking or banning someone just for colors or posting in the wrong chatroom. as long as our administration does not care to moderate the ministery chatroom, this messure is nonsense. if they want citizens to silence, they should have the room moderated. if they dont know how, they should employ a full-time operator ;-) or chanserv.
colors should not be reserved for anyone or for a special purpose, as i, for example, just turn them off anyways (this no-sense-stuff is lame as hell) and so dont care bout which color i send.

[Panag]

Originally posted by disorganizer
but if yes, for how many turns does it pre-calculate? firaxis only sais that it is pre-calculating, but i did not find for how many "events" it holds the seeds.

hi ,

some argue that it depends , do you shut your comp off , restart , etc , actually there is no real answer for the moment , .....

maybe we should ask in a chat with Firaxis , ...

have a nice day

[Epistax]

I have to disagree with one point: 'moderated' might sometimes be needed. There might come a time when the chatroom is absolutely horded with individuals-- it just shouldn't be worded as to make it impossible to be done.


Another question is why DAL net? Why not one of the many games irc servers? Some belong to networks and have US and Europe hub. They are typically much easier to join then Dal, Ef, and Under net.

[Panag]

Originally posted by Epistax
I have to disagree with one point: 'moderated' might sometimes be needed. There might come a time when the chatroom is absolutely horded with individuals-- it just shouldn't be worded as to make it impossible to be done.


Another question is why DAL net? Why not one of the many games irc servers? Some belong to networks and have US and Europe hub. They are typically much easier to join then Dal, Ef, and Under net.

hi ,

it would be more intresting if the chat on this site would work as intended , .... this way more people shall also see and hear about the game , and join .

we should ask MarkG about the status of the chatroom here .

have a nice day