USA or France?

[notyoueither]

Plan Pink can easily accomodate an extra Spearman garrison for Banana HQ.

It can also adjust for either France or America as being the target. It is mainly a production and worker plan after all. Tactics to be determined later.

As a matter of fact, I specifically mentioned the strong posibility of finding a civ at just about the spot we have found the Americans.

Plan Pink gets us an army capable of a short, sharp war in the shortest time possible, and leaves us capable of building 4 veterans at a time.

[notyoueither]

to Ninot

I believe some of the questions you ask show why we should no longer trade gpt for tech.

On top of the fact that it is usually cheaper to wait until you can pay by lump sum I give you this scenario.

There is a third civ out beyond the French and the US. That civ (let's call it x) could very well be Aztec or Roman. Suppose we do everything to plan for war with France and trade gpt with the US. 5 turns before we commence against France, civ x attacks the US. What do we do?

If we do not attack the US as well, there is every chance that civ x will overcome them and we will have a superior ai on our border. Worse, if we procede with our attack on France and knock them for 6, we will have weakened our best potential ally against the stronger civ x.

However, if we switched and also went after the US, our chances of coming up with a capitol with minimal loss to ourselves would increase. We would then gain our objective and block civ x from expansion (we win twice).

I conclude that specific plans are difficult to make at this time. However, general principles are very good ideas. One such general principle would be to avoid gpt deals at this time. Keep our options as open as possible.

[notyoueither]

Which civ gets the cash?

When 1 civ is trailing another, but they are both ahead of you...

It might be better to trade for tech with the trailer. That gives them more cash added to their own to buy more tech from the leader. That makes the new tech cheaper for us when we buy it.

Believe me. We are going to be at the end of the tech conga-line until the late Medieval at the earliest. It is critical that we do everything we can to reduce the cost of tech for ourselves or we will fall hopelessly behind.

[FrostyBoy]

I think we are lacking in the map, we don't know what the french have and we don't know what the americans have, Wouldn't it be wiser to head for map making and ask the americans for the world map? or even with the french? I think until we can see what we are getting ourselves into, we will be fighting blind.

[notyoueither]

Or we could explore to see for ourselves.

MapMaking is likely further in the future than the end of the first war. Maybe just this side of the beginning. That would be good.

However, Sn00py has hit it on the head. Specific commitment to one war or the other, To one civ as friend or the other is premature.

[civman2000]

If we see iron in france, take france. WE don;t want to have no iron after going after america and then face an iron-armed, stronger france

[Jon Shafer]

We need to gear up for war with either country right now, and adapt plans a few turns before the fight begins (10 or so turns). First we must investigate more of French and American land, to see what lies open to us. If there's a massive plain to our north that America is sitting on, and they only expanded into the jungle because of the dyes, then they may be a better choice. We will simply have to scout the land more. Ninot, try to hold off on anything serious with either country at the moment, since they are both potential targets.

[Kuciwalker]

America may be weaker, or France may be weaker. We don't know. America may have better terrain and more resources for the taking, of France may. We don't know. America may be the better choice, or France may be the better choice. WE DON'T KNOW.

This is a slight problem.

[ProfessorChaos]

As Skywalker says We don't know who is weaker so I say we go and attack france because they have better terrain than the USA and we need bettter terrain we are stuck in the middle of a JUNGLE.

[kring]

Originally posted by ProfessorChaos
As Skywalker says We don't know who is weaker so I say we go and attack france because they have better terrain than the USA and we need bettter terrain we are stuck in the middle of a JUNGLE.

Since we don't know who is weaker, to attack due to what limited terrain we know about is unwise and could lead to our destruction.

We need more info on both civs' lands, cities, and units. Then we can make a hopefully wise decision, a more informed one anyway.

Remember, knowledge is power; lack of knowledge can get you killed.

We do have plenty of time to explore and both civs are fairly close. Continue our military builds and adapt our goals as we learn more of the map.

[CapitanGarlic]

Everyone wants to beat up the silly French!

Vive Apolyton!

[Kuciwalker]

I believe that what little information we have points to the French as the best target.

[kring]

That is why we need more information. Making decisions on little information is bad planning and a good way to lose a poor start game (or even a great start game).

Knowledge is power: including the power to make informed decisions!

[ThePlagueRat]

Diplomacy, Diplomacy, Diplomacy... cautious, annoyed, furious...
- The only way to go. They'll get pissed off when you bugger them for all they have got. We need a bigger army... to outnumber them. Then we can probably get all techs by cut-throat diplomacy, and make war if that's neccesary?

Here's the receipt:

1.Demand a tech.
2. Make the Pink Frogs furious. Demand more... and even more.
3.Build up defenses. And then outnumber them.
4. Make the Frogs engage first. (giving us the patriotic bonus)
5. Offer peace, for all techs. Or invade France?
6. Stop unit prod. and build libraries, for culture and intellect!


Otherwise, they'll look upon us as bull's manour and give us nothing! Ok, foreign minister... what do you say?

[Robber Baron]

If the French have iron (which seems likely, given the terrain), and twice as many productive cities as we have (which they definitely will, by the time this strategy comes to fruition), then the "patriotic bonus" will be no match for their onslaught. First strike is self-defense, in this case.