The Popular Front

[Timeline]

Originally posted by Trip

By the time we share borders, they'll be many times stronger than us, and may even have iron working (and iron, no doubt, which we lack).

That's where we come in, we are industrialists remember?

Hehe, but no seriously, by the time uber finishes this "jungle plan" and gets his precious army, we will share boarders.

[Timeline]

BTW, what was in the goody hut? Gold?

[Jon Shafer]

I estimate ~ 45 turns before we can declare war on France and be sure that we can crush them. 8 turns to finish Bronze Working, ~ 25 for the Wheel, another 3 or 5 to find a source of horses/begin using them, and another 10 or so to build up a sizeable force that will be able to defeat them. How many cities do you think we'll be able to get out by then.

The Goody Hut was deserted.

[Ninot]

nothing.. it was abandoned, or whatever the game calls it...

nothing in it, all we got from going that way was the French (and an end to jungle)

[Timeline]

Originally posted by Trip
I estimate ~ 45 turns before we can declare war on France and be sure that we can crush them. 8 turns to finish Bronze Working, ~ 25 for the Wheel, another 3 or 5 to find a source of horses/begin using them, and another 10 or so to build up a sizeable force that will be able to defeat them. How many cities do you think we'll be able to get out by then.

The Goody Hut was deserted.

That depends on Punkbass. But I know him. He is a REX maniac. I guestimate we will have somewhere around 6 cities total by then.

[Duddha]

I think the Popular Front has an important role to take in the struggles of Apolytonian democracy. The DIA is builder party. While the DIA is not opposed to war they are not in favor of sacrificing their builder objectives for pursusing war if it is avoidable. The Popular Front parties mainly believe that internal improvements should serve the pursuit of territorial expansion, not the other way around. It's a basic difference of objectives.
There needs to be parties for both views. The Popular Front mearly brings together those parties that believe in the pursiut of expansion because the opposing view has only one relatively strong party.

[PresidentMike]

Originally posted by Duddha
There needs to be parties for both views.

I agree. Our nation can only survive if our citizens tolerate each others differences of opinion, if when those opinions (...cough...DIA...cough) are wrong.

[Guardian]

Originally posted by Timeline
Don't you read our posts?

We are agreeing with you.

Get a clue

*points to the quote above*

For a more detailed rundown on my views, check this post: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...76#post1057318

[UnOrthOdOx]

We may indeed all be in agreement in the short term, and that is a wonderful thing, but long term goals are a bit different. You say that war is a tool for expanding and building, where as building and tech can also be seen as a tool for war, and more expansion. Both paths can lead to victory. There needs to be two sides in the debate, and then allow the masses to decide based on their own oppinions of the two views.

[Timeline]

How true that above statement is.........


Nice post.

[Panag]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
We may indeed all be in agreement in the short term, and that is a wonderful thing, but long term goals are a bit different. You say that war is a tool for expanding and building, where as building and tech can also be seen as a tool for war, and more expansion. Both paths can lead to victory. There needs to be two sides in the debate, and then allow the masses to decide based on their own oppinions of the two views.

hi ,

most of the people dont want war , not yet , ...

have a nice day

[UnOrthOdOx]

According to the poll on French relations, it seems that most are in favor of war.

You are right that we are not ready, yet. We should not send our two warriors on a suicide mission. But we must BEGIN PREPERATIONS. Find their cities (they wont have only one for long), research offensive techs, build an army, more cities. NOW is the time to ensure that we ARE ready when the time comes.

[Panag]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx
According to the poll on French relations, it seems that most are in favor of war.

You are right that we are not ready, yet. We should not send our two warriors on a suicide mission. But we must BEGIN PREPERATIONS. Find their cities (they wont have only one for long), research offensive techs, build an army, more cities. NOW is the time to ensure that we ARE ready when the time comes.

hi ,

we need first more techs , we can slow them down a bit , or trade worldmaps , but that is not going to be a smart idea , .....

anyway , we should get more techs , BEFORE we start any war , ....

have a nice day

[UnOrthOdOx]

Originally posted by panag

we need first more techs , we can slow them down a bit , or trade worldmaps , but that is not going to be a smart idea , .....

anyway , we should get more techs , BEFORE we start any war , ...

That is what I stated. Gaining techs is part of preparing for war.

[Panag]

Originally posted by UnOrthOdOx


That is what I stated. Gaining techs is part of preparing for war.

hi ,

, nope you stated "offensive" ones , the faster we have library's and university's , combined with hospitals , we shall get those "offensive" ones for next to nothing , ...

have a nice day