Palace Jump

[punkbass2000]

Due to the obviously poor starting position, I propose that we should be prepared to perform a palace jump in the near future. For those who don't know, a palace jump is where one disbands there own capital in order to have moved freely to a better a location, and is an extremely useful tactic when your palace position is sub-optimal (and in this case, horrendous). If this initiative is undertaken, there are a few obvious preparations. The first is that the capital will not produce improvements. As this city will be disbanded anyway, they would be a waste of time. Second, as a consequence, the capital will become a unit factory, especially pumping out both settlers and workers. Third, the workers should not bother improving more than two squares within the capital's radius, as it will not be allowed to grow beyond that size without immediately producing a settler. It will also be optimized for production and not growth. Fourth, the workers will not build a road through the jungle, as there will be nothing left to connect to once the city is abandoned.

This thread is for the discussion of this proposal, including dissenting opiniong. It will result in a couple polls which I will post tomorrow and will run simulataneously, despite their depending on each other, as it seems quite possible that the next turnchat will be in a few days. The planned polls are (in order of dependence):
1. Do you approve the idea of palace-jumping?
Yes
No
Abstain
Other (please explain)

2. If palace jumping is approved, do you agree with my proposals for subsequent actions?
Yes
No
Abstain
Other (please explain)

Any objections to the wording or options of these polls should ne voiced ASAP, preferably before they are posted.

All comments welcome.

Incidentally, I strongly advocate this course of action, if this was not obvious.

[Jon Shafer]

I think eventually we'll have to do a Palace Jump, that is clear. The real question is when.

[Switch]

I'm not sure if I like the idea of disbanding the city of Apolyton so soon. Is the expected corruption so bad that there won't be time to just rebuild the palace, rather than disbanding Apolyton? Or am I just so unexperienced in Civ3 that this is just useless drivle and all are free to laugh?

[Jon Shafer]

Well, being that the entire side of this island/continent is jungle, the entire side of the island will be fairless useless until most of the jungle can be cleared... and with things being what they are (i.e. we still don't know where the jungle ends), the best place to put our capital will have to be far, far away from where we've started. We will certainly keep Apolyton around for some time, but eventually it may not be worth our time to keep around (then again, it could be, but we'll have to see).

[ThePlagueRat]

hmmm...
Was there an optimal spot for capital at all?
(maybe somewhere among the banana-trees, if they were cut down! )

Ok, Punkbass' jumpy proposal sounds good!
In case of this jungle-jumping affair, there should be built another city at this lucrative coastline... I still need my whalebeef!

[ThePlagueRat]

Originally posted by Trip
(i.e. we still don't know where the jungle ends)

It could be big... What planet-age did you choose on startup?
(inflicts size of deserts, jungles, mountain ranges, etc.)

[Pythagoras]

This is a question we probably wont be able to answer until at least the AD.

[Jon Shafer]

Originally posted by ThePlagueRat
It could be big... What planet-age did you choose on startup?
(inflicts size of deserts, jungles, mountain ranges, etc.)

Huge map, random landmass, temperate, normal.

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by SwitchMoO
I'm not sure if I like the idea of disbanding the city of Apolyton so soon. Is the expected corruption so bad that there won't be time to just rebuild the palace, rather than disbanding Apolyton

Well, there's always time, technically, but I would expect to be building that new palace at the rate of one or two spt, which would be a looooooooooooong time.

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by Pythagoras
This is a question we probably wont be able to answer until at least the AD.

I am not sure why you believe this, but in any case, it needs to be decided now, as many of the ramifications (if ramifications can occur retroactively) need to be decided upon now.

[Space05us]

if there is a more suitable place up north for our new empire then I say Jump, but if its just another peninsula neighbored by Jungle I say start whacking away at the trees.

[00civicSi]

Damn the man! Save the Empire!

Don't ditch the capital.

[Space05us]

it's not much of a capital if its so far away from the empire.

[Inverse Icarus]

as of what we see now, there is no reason to even consider a palace jump, until we see a half decent spot.

a whale and a fish in the middle of a jungle clearing may be the ebst we see for a while.

i'm not in favor of palace jumping, becaus ei cnsider it an exploit. oh well.

[Spiffor]

I too consider it an exploit. Besides, the site of our capital is pretty solid : whales, fish, two shield producing grasslands, forests... Maybe the best spot we'll have in a good while. If the city was to be disbanded, I'd like to see it rebuilt shortly thereafter (I know, I must tell this to Timeline).