The ministry of Trade thread

[Kuciwalker]

The chance of them is close to zero. We only saw it through cultural expansion, and we would have seen any galleys.

[Aggie]

Thats a good plan though the gpt are aliitle expensive. I would suggest we do the last 3, then see where we are in a few turns, since the current gpt will expire is 6/7 turns. However I am only one voice and if everybody else wants to trade the world map that is ok. I am just giving suggestions.
Keep up the good work
Aggie

[FrostyBoy]

Let me ask this:

What is the value of the maps outside of American and French territory? Take note that we are preparing for war with America.

[Inverse Icarus]

Originally posted by Sn00py
Let me ask this:

What is the value of the maps outside of American and French territory? Take note that we are preparing for war with America.

and we basically see all of american territory. the maps will be of little value (see if they have iron, their road network, etc), but i think it's worth it.

i dont care about anyone else's map right now

[Spiffor]

American territory map : 4 gold
French territory map : 6 gold
Greek territory map : 21 gold
Roman territory map : 19 gold
German territory map : 13 gold
English territory map : 21 gold

[FrostyBoy]

The cost of the world maps are not worth it, at least not now, but the cost of the US territory and even the French territory are certainly worth buying.

As UberKrux points out, other people's maps (non US)aren't going to be that useful right now, especially if the world maps are going to cost as much as they do.

[Kloreep]

The territory map deals all look nice; however, I don't think we should buy either mapmaking or world maps, since both will eventually devalue - mapmaking as more civs get it, world maps as our scouts explore more.

[mtgillespie]

Originally posted by Spiffor

(note : to design this project, I had to play ahead by buying MapMaking to the French for 195 gold. I did not accept any deals involving maps. thus, I don't have more geographical knowledge than any of you)

Can i just clarify this, please. I understand you haggle with each of the civ's to see what price we can get a trade for. If it is a tech (for instance), do you then say yes to the deal, and see what we can trade the new tech for? Or have i misunderstood?

[Papa Chubby]

I thought that it would be one of our first priorities to get mapmaking after discovering the lands across our capital, need ship to go check what it is. Therefore I support buying Mapmaking, but have to say that the others ain´t all that good, especially trading world maps for Mathematics. That does not sound like a good idea. As for trading our maps, I thought the AI always knew the terrotorie, that it was one of those infamous AI cheats, better ask Coracle to clarify.

[Spiffor]

mtgillepie :
I often just haggle until I am at the very limit when the "foreign advisor" in the upper right of the screen says "this deal will probably be acceptable". Once I know the needed amount of gold, I say "never mind" to the AI wihtout agreeing to the deal.
In my second idea, where I traded maps with those who didn't have mapmaking, I had to have Mapmaking myself. That's why I agreed to the deal with the French. Then, I haggled with the non-mapmaking civs without agreeing for their maps.

[mtgillespie]

This concerns me a little. The haggling part is fine, and indeed necessary. However, us discussing how much we could sell/buy maps for, when in game terms we do not have the technology to make such items, is for me playing ahead. In fact, this is how you yourself described it. Does anyone else have a problem with this, or have just got my pedantic head on today

[Inverse Icarus]

I consider that playing ahead, because in the real game you wouldnt know what you could sell it for.

you're taking a lot of the risk out of trades.

[Spiffor]

UberKrux :
If you want, I completely stop playing ahead. Next time we'll have to know what we can get for what prices, I'll do this during the turnchat. And people will have to wait 10-15 minutes for the plan to be devised. Is that what you want ?

[Inverse Icarus]

I'd rather you trade for mapmaking first and work out the map trades for a later date.

maybe i should play ahead to see if there are any units in the way of my troop movements, to save time.

[Spiffor]

Originally posted by UberKruX
I'd rather you trade for mapmaking first and work out the map trades for a later date.

You're right, I should have done this, which is a reasonable and efficient thing to do. I'll do like this next time.