Minister (and other governmental staff) Duties

[Moral Hazard]

Since nothing in here is official I think we should hammer out exactly what it says and then do a poll on the entire document. Of course doing a poll on this particular issue is fine.

[Kuciwalker]

The proposed constitution that excerpt was taken from was originally drafted for CivFanatics. They have different numbers of people there.

[Gramphos]

POLL Posted

And yes, I agree that we ned to discuss this, and then do a POLL(?) do you think we can make a document that everyone will accept on all points with just one poll. I think it need to be at least a Multiple choose poll where you choose to accept the duties for each post.

[Gramphos]

Originally posted by skywalker
The proposed constitution that excerpt was taken from was originally drafted for CivFanatics. They have different numbers of people there.

how many people are in their game?

[Trevman]

I think that the science advisor should not be allowed to ignore polls with over a 2/3 majority. How can that many people be wrong?

[punkbass2000]

Originally posted by Trevman
I think that the science advisor should not be allowed to ignore polls with over a 2/3 majority. How can that many people be wrong?

Well, very often, really, but democratically speaking, never!

Anyway, I don't think the Science Advisor (or anyone) should be able to ignore any poll at all. If there is winner, then they win, that is it. That is the point of the democracy game.

[Timeline]

Updated 6/14
CODE OF LAWS

These are the code of laws that we, the new citizenry of Apolotonia, have decided upon. In it, we have declared that we shall form a government of the people, a Democracy, in which -WE- shall choose who leads us. We shall gather the smartest and most wise people of our tribe together, and they shall erect sacrad polls, and they will do their bidding. Let no other nation, barbarian, or calamity stand in our way, WE ARE CIVERS, AND WE WANT TO PLAY!


Government Stucture


Executive Branch

This is the administrative section of our nation. The Executive branch is made up of the President and Vice President. These two are required to abide by the suggestions of the ministers, who represent the will of the people.


President

The President shall physically play the game after referring to his advisors, and generally checking with the people.

Once the turns are played the president shall send out the save game file via e-mail only to all the members of his cabinet and any Apolytonia member who specially request it. The Historian and Reporter must receive saves from the beginning and end of each turn.

The President is required to host at least one turnchat a week.

The President must have a 2/3 majority before he can change our Government type or mobilize our economy for war.

The President has control over drafts.


Vice-president

The right hand of the President; he may assist the president in any way currently needed (holding polls, consulting ministers, distributing the save files, etc). In the event the President is unable to play his turn, the Vice-president shall play the turn instead.


Ministerial Branch

Ministers make up the core of our government. They do the hard labor required to point our country in the right direction. Ministers are experts in the area they oversee, and they have the serious task of informing and advising the people on our situation. They are required to conduct polls in order to interrupt the people’s will. They are then to carry out that will, by giving their direction to the President.

All Ministers are allowed to advise and consult with each other. They are also granted the right to petition for changes or actions from other Ministers that may be critical to the their department. Ultimately, however, it is the Minister in charge of his/her section that has the final say in how things are handled.


Science Advisor

The Science Advisor is the nation’s greatest mind in the area of technological advancement. It is his/her responsibility to advise the president on which techs the people wish to research.

The Science Minister is acknowledged the right to advise the Foreign Affairs minister on matters of Tech trading.


Military Advisor

This officer is the principal military advisor to the President and the people, and prepares military plans and reviews overall military requirements for our nation. He/She also has the responsibility to assess threats to the security of the country and keep everyone up to date on these threats.

The Military Advisor is granted the power to set up the army's strategy. He tells what troops to move where, and which battles to engage.

The Military Advisor is granted the right to take an active part in negotiations of Peace Treaties, Mutual Protection Pacts, or a Right of Passage agreements. (Note: The Foreign Advisor calls the shots, but the Military Advisor must have his voice heard).


Foreign Advisor

This minister is the government’s chief advisor on foreign affairs and is responsible for carrying out foreign policy. He/She is given the power to enter into diplomatic negotiations with other countries, however should refrain from making commitments until approved by the people.

The Foreign Advisor is granted the power to make peace, accept Mutual Protection Pacts, offer Right of Passage Agreements, and forge Military Alliances. The exchange of all items, except Strategic, Luxury, or Gold resources falls on the broad shoulders of the Foreign Affairs Minister. It is strongly recommended that the Foreign Affairs Minister consult the appropriate ministers when gifts or exchanges are involved.

This Minister is required to consult the Trade advisor when Gold, Luxury or Strategic resources are involved.


Trade Advisor

The Minister of Trade is the principle authority on all international trade. He/she handles all trade involving the exchange of luxurious goods and resources, and has control over any times that gold may be involved.

The Trade Advisor is granted the power to make/accept Trade Embargos.


City Planner

The City Planner is truly an artist and an economist, for he is responsible for making the foundation of our nation, cities, as prosperous and successful as possible. The City Planner manages building queues and citizens, but may also request the Public Works minister to improve city tiles when needed.

The City Planner is strongly recommended to accommodate all Ministers who approach him/her with their various needs.


Imperial Expansion Minister
The Imperial Expansion Minister posses the important job of placing our glorious new cities.


Public Works Minister

The Public Works Minister is in charge of all the workers and slaves in our empire.


Financial Minister
The Financial Minister has the power to control the budget of our civ. That involves assigning income for science, trade and luxuries.


Public Information Servants

Historian

The Historian logs everything that happens to our nation, however, he should do so without biased to political leaders or parties. The Historian is not allowed to vote in governmental polls.

The Historian may request detailed information on certain things from the President, and shall be granted access to multiple saves per turn (before and after the save has been played).

Reporters

These independent agents are bestowed the great privilege of keeping the people informed on the happenings of the game and government, as well as the general environment around us. They should strive to obtain accurate facts, and state things how they are, free of political involvement. The reporters act as a window into the game, serve as a government watchdog, and are general tool of the people.


Government Policy


Length of Office Terms:

All office terms shall last one month. A member can run for a different office at the end of his term, but he cannot change offices during it. If a member is elected three times into the same office, that member must run for a different office in his forth term, or not run at all.


Impeachment

All members of our great nation are recognized the right to bring foreword the issue of impeachment of any government official at any time. It is written in our noble code of laws how this process is to be carried out:

A poll will be posted which will expire in no less than 5 days. There are to be three poll options, yea, nay, and abstain. Upon the expiration of the poll, if 2/3 of the people who voted deem impeachment necessary, then the official shall be immediately removed from office. The President shall establish an emergency member to take his/her place until a new election can be held, and a new person voted into office to finish the term.


These are laws . . . the people have spoken.

[Moral Hazard]

Once the turns are played the president shall send out the save game file via e-mail only to all of the members of his cabinet and any Apolytonia member who specially requests it (http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=52395). The Historian and Reporter must receive saves from the beginning and end of each turn.

This link is wrong. The correct link is here

There is no limit to the number of terms a member can stay in office

I disagree on your interpetation, more people voted for term limits than against. They just differed in how long. I think a y/n poll should be set up to determine if there should be term limits. It's not a pressing issue though and the poll can be set up later.

I suggest a 51% majority is sufficient for impeachment, and any member of the public my start an impeachment poll. This way ministers can do whatever they please, but they would have hell to pay if they defied the Code of Laws (which says abide by the people).

Are you saying that any minister can be impeached. I'm undecided on this. I think they should be held accountable, but I am not looking forward to the chaos that might insue from an unpopular govt. Hmm after reading what I wrote I'm leaning toward allowing the impeachment of any minister. With an interim person setup by the president or vp if the pres is impeached, until a five day special election closes.

Btw I like what you have so far. I may find more points to quibble over once I've read it again.

[Timeline]

Poll Posted: How Should Officials be Impeached?

[Timeline]

I have edited the rules on number of terms in office, now reads to the effect of:

A member can run for a different office at the end of his term, but he cannot change offices during it. After three terms in the same office, a member must either switch offices or not run for a public office.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=52404

A member can only serve in the same position for three terms.

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=52397

[civman2000]

[Trevman]

[QUOTE] Originally posted by Timeline
Here is what I suggest:
I suggest a 51% majority is sufficient for impeachment, and any member of the public my start an impeachment poll. This way ministers can do whatever they please, but they would have hell to pay if they defied the Code of Laws (which says abide by the people).

2/3 majority vote for impeachment. Otherwise it would be too easy to impeach and the cabinet would be chaotic and unstable.

[Timeline]

Post above updated.

If there are any reasons you would not accept the above code of laws . . . please post your reason why now.

[Kingof the Apes]

The laws look good to me.

[Trevman]

Does the president need a 2/3 majority from his cabinet or the general populace to mobilize?