Minister (and other governmental staff) Duties

[Spiffor]

Maybe we should discuss about this in the polling commission thread. The commission would present rules for polling to the people, which can be rejected or accepted. At least, it would give us a coherent set of rules for the polls.

[Jon Shafer]

More stuff:
Since anyone who disagrees could say 'this poll is invalid', the poll must first go to a vote in for the elected officials. A thread for a vote of 'yes, it's invalid' or 'no, it's not' for the administrator positions listed in the stickied thread will be conducted.

There also needs to be a part about amending it (duh people), but I'm not sure if that thread is over yet. When it is, then a part concerning that should be added (geeze though, 51% proposed by anyone, ANYTHING can pass).

[MrWhereItsAt]

Shi-damn that's a long post.

[Jon Shafer]

Okay, most of my concerns have been lumped into other threads, and will be addressed through polls there.

[Timeline]

Trip, what are we going to do with you?

“Once the turns are played the president shall send out the save game file via e-mail only to all the members of his cabinet and any Apolytonia member who specially request it. The Historian and Reporter must receive saves from the beginning and end of each turn.

This hasn't been decided.”

Are you TRYING to hold us back from getting this thing completed? *Sigh* There is a vote on it now, if the people vote to have access to the save file, it should be via e-mail only

“The President is required to host at least one turnchat a week.

The President must have a 2/3 majority before he can change our Government type or mobilize our economy for war.

It appears as though this is 51% instead.”

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthrea...threadid=52794

If you want to make a second poll for government switching go ahead, but I feel it would be wasting time on trivial matters.

“The President or Foreign Minister can also call for a DOW with 67%, as things appear now.”

Don’t worry, I am updating it.......

“The Minister of Science should be required to post polls every so often to see which direction the people want to go tech-wise, but not for every advance.”

Well, aren’t you the pro-detailed-specific-constitutionalist. All ministers are: “... required to conduct polls in order to interrupt the people’s will. They are then to carry out that will, by giving their direction to the President.”

I am not going to say for every minister how they should conduct polls and get into a highly detailed and bogged down constitution. Sorry, that’s not what the people voted for.

“The Minister of War should also consult with the Minister of Public Works regarding transportation (roads/RRs) for the army as well. That and the City Planner for construction of barracks/harbors/airports, etc.”

The Code of Law States: “All Ministers are allowed to advise and consult with each other. They are also granted the right to petition for changes or actions from other Ministers that may be critical to the their department.”

Again, this is already covered once and I am not going to go over it with every minister and tell them who they should or shouldn’t contact, that is for them to decide and figure out.

Imperial Expansion: “He should be also work closely with the other Ministers, for example if the Minister of War wants a city built in such-and-such place to help for an invasion, or the Minister of Public Works feels that a city in such-and-such place would make it easier to build up our infrastructure, etc.”

What I said above ^. If you wrote out every detail this is a code of LAWS, not a how-to book on how to be a successful minister.

“IIRC, a poll said that there will be no limit on how many terms you can have per office in a row.”

Being decided.

“Basically the Historian should recount an accurate and detailed account of what occurs each turn.

Goood, I will add that, nice 1.

“There also needs to be a final section about polls. My suggested rules are this:
Each poll should have its rules laid out, as well as an expiration (if it is to be official in any way... no saying 3 weeks later "well this poll said this" kind of thing). Each poll should lay out the potential options, as well as the question in a clear format. The first post should be completely neutral. No options are to be suggested, just what each option entails in an unbiased format. A link to another discussion thread is also recommended.”

I feel as Spiffor does, and this CoL will only dictate how polls shall be conducted that are directly linked to it. If the Polling Standards Commission wants to try to tackle problems with polling, i am all for that , but this code of laws will not attempt to do that.

Remember, anything can be ammended later that needs to be, but the important thing is getting SOMETHING up for a guidline.

[ThePlagueRat]

Originally posted by Trip
More stuff:
Since anyone who disagrees could say 'this poll is invalid', the poll must first go to a vote in for the elected officials. A thread for a vote of 'yes, it's invalid' or 'no, it's not' for the administrator positions listed in the stickied thread will be conducted.

There also needs to be a part about amending it (duh people), but I'm not sure if that thread is over yet. When it is, then a part concerning that should be added (geeze though, 51% proposed by anyone, ANYTHING can pass).

Ok, that's slightly different from my idea.

Constitution:
I think all valid polls should have (built in) valitating functionality!
That means adding the option "invalid poll" to all other options. President: To sign each valid const. poll after deadline.
(with his condorfeatherpen) There is also some cluttering details though...

Other elected officials:
To plan and lay ahead needed const. clauses for votation.
Making polls with the functionality mentioned above,
and keep track of which is valid, and which currently under votation.

Hmmm...
Is that a too hard job to do?
Can we poll for this?

[Jon Shafer]

I request the following additon at the end of the constitution due to the overwhelming success of my polling proposal.

Introduction:
Polls may be conducted in an ‘unofficial’ format to simply gain information, but CANNOT be used in any official decisions. All of the following rules are regarding ‘official’ polls, which may or may not be used as official results for the actual game. Any unofficial polls must be labeled as so within the first post.

General Rules:
Each official poll should have its rules laid out, as well as a form of expiration, either when a certain event takes place (i.e. ‘when the game starts’), or a time limit (i.e. ‘5 days’). This is to prevent the occurrence of an incident such as if doesn’t include an expiration, and says 3 weeks later "well this poll said this" kind of thing, and use its results officially. Each poll should lay out the potential options, as well as the question in a clear format. The required inclusions for the post are: an expiration date/event, a fair, clear and concise, unbaised question which addressed the issue of the poll, and a general description of what your poll entails. Instead of a description if you wish to post a link to another thread to give a description, that is acceptable as well.

Those who wish to put up a poll are strongly recommended to first discuss the issue in another thread, and bounce around possible options for voting. If someone feels that a poll could have been better made as a 'grouping' poll, or a 'yes/no' poll, then it may be deemed invalid.

Length of a Poll
Each poll must be open for a minimum of 3 days. This allows enough time for the majority of our members to see the poll and vote in it. Any poll open or taking results in less than 3 days is invalid. This includes 'spur of the moment' polls, that say something like 'This poll ends when turn 5 starts', but turn 5 starts in 2 days instead of 3 - this poll would be invalid.

Fairness and Neutrality:
The first post in a poll thread should be completely neutral. No options are to be suggested for voting, just what each option entails in an unbiased format. The same is true for the voting options. While poking fun at an option will probably be acceptable, if someone thinks that it interferes with a voter’s decision, then they may deem it invalid. If you show bias in your options, then it is no longer fair. So be warned, if your poll is a landslide one way and should win but someone feels that the options you presented are unfair and calls for a validity vote, if it’s deemed invalid your poll is useless.

Poll Format:
Each official poll MUST include either a ‘yes/no’ format, or a ‘group’ format, where similar options are grouped together, where the winning option within the group with the most votes is the official winner. The only time these formats do not have to be followed is in true multiple-choice polls, i.e. ‘Which Civilization should we be: Egyptians, Persians. Etc.’ In these cases, a simple ‘yes/no’ or ‘grouping’ poll does not suffice.

Repolling:
If someone wants to conduct a repoll, then it must be created at least 3 weeks following the initial poll. If a repoll is created before 3 weeks has passed, then that poll is immediately invalid. If a poll is an alternative poll, offering alternatives to decisions made in a previous poll, then it also must be conducted at least 3 weeks following the first poll, or be immediately deemed invalid. Any poll that's general purpose is the same or similar as another poll will be considered a repoll.

Length of Validity:
Poll results are valid until either a repoll is conducted, or an optional expiration on the results of the poll is included (either from an event or a time limit). In any other case, the results of a poll are official until the end of the game.

Invalidity of a Poll:
If these rules are not abided by, anyone may consider the poll invalid. If someone believes a poll to not be following these rules and declares it invalid, then a vote may be conducted among the elected officials listed in the ‘Current Administration’ thread to be either ‘valid’ or ‘invalid’. If the poll is deemed invalid, then its results cannot be used for any official purposes regarding the game. A poll deemed invalid cannot be voted on again unless it abides by the rules regarding a repoll.