Expansion Pack: Cities and Leaders, part3: What I still need.

[Wernazuma III]

I've changed the Russian leaders.
I'll dive into the Indian list later, especially the city list, for I have to compare it with mine.

But one instant question: Would you add Aqbar to the Mongols or to the Indians. Adding him to the Indians seems to me like adding Genghis or Kublai to the Chinese (oops, FIRAXIS did that! )

[Lord Merciless]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III
But one instant question: Would you add Aqbar to the Mongols or to the Indians. Adding him to the Indians seems to me like adding Genghis or Kublai to the Chinese (oops, FIRAXIS did that! )

Since PTW does have a Mongol civ, it's prudent to reserve those leaders for Mongols. I think the Mongol civ should also include any leader from Il-Khan, Golden Horde, Tamerlane's Empire, Mogul Empire, and Dsungaria.

A potential list:
Subotai
Tchagatai
Ogodei
Mengke
Kublai
Bayan
Haidu
Koko Timur
Tamerlane
Babur
Aqbar
Galdan Rabtan

[Wernazuma III]

I've got the Mongols in anyway and don't care for PTW at the moment.

I've gathered a Zulu city list. I got no clue though, if there's some mudholes among those "cities"...

Zimbabwe
Ulundi
Bapedi
Hlobane
Isandhlwana
Intombe
Empangeni
Mpondo
Ngome
Swazi
Tugela
Umtata
Umfolozi
Ibabanago
Isipezi
Amatikulu
Zunguin
Nongoma
Pongola
Kambula
Babanango
Nquthu
Jozini
Ndondakusaka
Tshaneni
Colenso
Mlunzini
Talana
Eshowe
Magudu
Gingindlovu
Hluhluwe
Ndundulu
Ngwelezana
Mtubatuba
Nseleni
Mkuze
Tehingwe
Nyezane
Majuba
Mpila
Mbazwana
Laings Nek
Gqokli Hill
Masinda
Nkiya
Bashibis
Mselani
Mpumalanga

[DarkCloud]

Schlest was a great Ukrainian communist... You could put him under the Russian Leaders

[Wernazuma III]

I kind of don't get your , nor do I know any Schlest.

[molly bloom]

Originally posted by Wernazuma III


But one instant question: Would you add Aqbar to the Mongols or to the Indians. Adding him to the Indians seems to me like adding Genghis or Kublai to the Chinese (oops, FIRAXIS did that! )

Well not quite. It would be like describing the Prince Regent, George IV of Great Britain, as German, simply because his father happened to be.

Akbar was born in Umarkot (now in Pakistan) to Hamida- the first Mogul ruler to be born in the Indian sub-continent. You have to ask yourself what makes Akbar a Mongol rather than an Indian leader? Three generations removed from the first Mogul (not Mongol) invaders, it's a bit of a stretch to lump him in with Ogodai and Bortei.

Given his contributions to Indian culture and tolerance of religions originating in India, in my mind Akbar is Indian.

[GoodFella]

Zhukov should be in the Russia list of leaders.

You might want to include Metacomet a.k.a. King Philip in the Iriquois leader list.

[Wernazuma III]

He is there as "Shukov"

[Ribannah]

Originally posted by GoodFella
Zhukov should be in the Russia list of leaders.

You might want to include Metacomet a.k.a. King Philip in the Iriquois leader list.

Metacomet was Algonquin, not Iroquois.

[Rathenn]

Chinese city listing

Hi guys,

I just thought I'd clear up the Chinese city listing, as there are still a few errors. (I hope you don't mind).

Here is my list, marking changes you might want to make:

Beijing
*Chang'an (you need the apostrophe)
*Luoyang (spelling error)
Shanghai
Guangzhou
*Jiankang (if you wanted to call it Nanjing no one would complain)
*Hong Kong (traditionally these are two separate words in English)
*Qingdao (not Tsingtao)
Kaifeng
*Taipei (not generally spelled as Taipeh)
Chengdu
Hangzhou
*Tianjin (not Tientsin)
*Datong (not Tatung)
Fushun
Anyang
Taiyuan
*Shenyang (spelling error)
Wuchang
Yangzhou
*Liaoyang (spelling error)
Jinan
Lanzhou
*Kunming (spelling error, I'm 100% sure it's not Kunmin)
*Guilin (I've been there, it's Guilin not Guiling)
Changchun
Ningbo
Baoding
Tainan
Jiangling
Suzhou
Zhangjiakou
Taichung
Wuxi
*Fuzhou (see below)
*Yechang (as far as I can tell, Yechang is the old name for Fuzhou so one of these should be removed)
Harbin
Xuzhou
Dalian
Baotou
Chongqing
Kaohsiung
Guiyang
Xining
Hohhot
Yumen
Haikou
Nanyang
Xuchang
Chaoge
* (I deleted Gongyang because I couldn't find anything about it - though maybe someone else could enlighten me)
Tianshui
Zhending

Some other additions I thought would be nice:

Ürümqi
Changsha
Jilin
Anshan
Nanning
Shenzhen

Hopefully this is useful and not troublesome for you, Wernazuma III!

[Ribannah]

Gongyang was a small enclave (a so-called flower house IIRC, one of several) within the British Concession of Shanghai in the late 19th century.
There is also some holy script of that name (after Confucius), as well as a Korean king.

[Wernazuma III]

Rathenn: It's not roublesome at all, but I guess we have to wait for our Chinese expert Lord Merciless as I, frankly, got no clue about Chinese cities. Hope he'll look in here soon.

[Selanne]

Zulu: Minor complaint. i don't know much bout their cities but Great Zimbabwe was a Monomotapan / Rozwi city and capital. They were enemies of the Zulu but I don't think the Zulu ever took the city.

I wouldn't worry too much. the only reason i changed it in my gane is because I added the Monomotapans. For African civs I usually crack open the atlas and pull out similar sounding city and town names from the area the empire covered. Resources on African civs are so rare.

China: Hong Kong isn't a city but an area. The major cities are Xiang Gang (Victoria) and Kowloon.

Xinjiang: in my atlas is a small town on the Fen river south of Taituan and n/e of Xi'an.

India(Pakistan and Bangladesh) city list (sorted by metro city size). Where two names appear, common English usage is first. Historical importance was not considered in this list.

Delhi / Dilli
Bombay / Mumbai
Calcutta / Kolkata
Karachi
Dhaka
Madras / Chennai
Bangalore / Bengaluru
Hyderabad / Haidarabad
Lahore
Ahmadabad
Pune
Surat
Kanpur
Rawalpindi
Chittagong / Chattagam
Jaipur
Lucknow / Lacknau
Nagpur
Faisalabad
Gujranwala
Patna
Indore
Vadadora
Bhopal
Coimbatore / Koyampattur
Bhubaneshwar / Bhubaneswar
Ludhiana
Cochin / Kochi
Vishakhapatnam / Visakhapatnam
Varanasi
Agra
Multan
Madurai
Meerut / Mirat
Khulna
Nashik
Jabalpur
Jamshedpur
Asansol
Peshawar
Dhanbad
Allahabad
Amritsar
Vijayawada
Rajkot
Srinagar
Bhilai
Aurangabad
Thiruvananthapuram
Calicut / Kozhikkod
Sholapur
Gwalior
Ranchi
Jodhpur
Tiruchchirappalli
Guwahati
Chandigarh
Hubli
Maisuru
Jalandhar

There's 60 for you

Oh and i agree Akbar should be a great Indian leader.

[Wernazuma III]

I'll change the English spelling to the Indian one. Beside that, I already got my list ready.

Compare it with yours, then tell me, what I should really change.Delhi
Mumbai
Peshawar
Madras
Bangalore
Vijayanagar
Calcutta
Carachi
Hyderabad
Pataliputra
Lahore
Ahmadabad
Harappa
Chittagong
Colhapur
Nagpur
Mohenjo-Daro
Rawalpindi
Jaipur
Multan
Allahabad
Kanpur
Taxila
Quilon
Poona
Dhaca
Barisal
Agra
Bengal
Patna
Calicut
Varanasi
Islamabad
Srinagar
Jabalpur
Howrah
Madurai
Goa
Cochin
Amravati
Punjab
Baghalpur
Chandernagore
Pondicherry
Colombo
Tinphal
Kalinjar
Balasore
Jaffna
Masulipatam
Diu
Mahe
Surat
Lucknow
Chitur
Tamluk
Yanaon
Mangalore
Chaul
Bahavalpur
Nizampatam
Daman
Culna
CariCai
Benares

[ranskaldan]

Originally posted by Selanne

China: Hong Kong isn't a city but an area. The major cities are Xiang Gang (Victoria) and Kowloon.

Hong Kong = Xiang Gang
Hong Kong is Cantonese, Xiang Gang is Mandarin. They are exactly the same thing (kinda like Rome/Roma for example).
"Victoria" is the name for the section of the city on Hong Kong island. Victoria and Kowloon are usually conceived (by the Chinese) to be sections of the same city, not different cities.

Xinjiang: in my atlas is a small town on the Fen river south of Taituan and n/e of Xi'an.

Xinjiang is the Chinese name for East Turkestan, the largest province of China.
If you want to ask me which "xinjiang" the developers were referring to, I'd bet on the large province, not on a tiny town.

Also:

http://apolyton.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=52331