¿Which 3 european civs deserve to be present in Civ4?

[Antxon]

My votes for:
1.- Spain
2.- Other (Iberian civ)
3.- Portugal
Cheers

[Papa Chubby]

I´d vote for:

1. The Spanish
2. The Austro-Hungarian Empire
3. The Ottoman Empire

Pretty ridiculous to have the Vatican there, almost as funny as having the Basque. Other than that I don´t know why they would put the Prussians as an independant entity away from Germany, would be pretty strange. Especially considering that Bismarck was the premier of Prussia.

[Estilpón]

spanish
turks
dutch

[Nilat]

I think: Germans, spanish and the English

[Dauphin]

The English is taken as read, its about who deserves to be in but didn't make the last cut.

[yellfromhell]

Sorry all of you,
Stalin II`s vote is my fault. See: because of one of the many errors I made, the title of the thread does not say "new civs" as the title of the poll. Once again excuse me.
Yell

[yellfromhell]

Papa Chubby,
The poll doesnt have to be absolutly serious. I included the Vatican because its influence in history cant be denied, it has "embassies" nearly all over the world, it had an army, put taxes, had leaders, etc. ¿Why not then? Obviously today it sounds ridiculous, but in the past it was a power trying to impose over the others in its own way. About the Basque: well, they are still the only people in all Spain that had never been conquered. BTW I thought it could be interesting to include some options that transpass todays european fronteirs. In the same line of thought is the argument in favor of including Prusia: this state influenced enormously in european history, so I wanted to give an "nationalist" option for some ocational german voters.
But, as you see, we can vote with our posts, and that fixes in someway my errors. Please, if you have other options to suggest, tell me so I can learn about those civs.
Thanks
Yell

[yellfromhell]

Patial results of first poll (¿Which new Euro-Civ deserves to be in Civ4?)

Spanish .................................................. ....... 5
Belgians, Dutch, Celts & Vikings .................... 1
One not listed here ...................................... 4 votes

Partial results of 2nd poll (¿Which 3 new Euro-Civs deserve to be in Civ4?) - after Estilpón´s vote - (Stalin´s vote could not be included)

Spanish ...................................... 8 votes
Portuguese & Dutch.................... 4 votes
Vikings ....................................... 3 votes
Turks .......................................... 2 votes (one as the Ottomans)
Celts ........................................... 1 vote
Austro-hungarians ...................... 1 vote
Iberian civ ................................... 1 vote

Thanks
Yellfromhell

[Ribannah]

Hm, I still have to vote.
Here goes: Dutch, Minoans, Norse (Vikings)

[yellfromhell]

Partial results July 20 - 21:50 GMT -3 hours

Patial results of first poll (¿Which new Euro-Civ deserves to be in Civ4?)

Spanish .................................................. ................ 5 votes
Belgians, Dutch, Celts, Turks & Vikings ......................... 1 votes
One not listed here .................................................. . 4 votes

Partial results of 2nd poll (¿Which 3 new Euro-Civs deserve to be in Civ4?) - after Ribannahs vote -)

1. Spanish ......................................... 8 votes
2. Dutch ........................................... 5 votes
3. Portuguese .................................... 4 votes
- Vikings .......................................... 4 votes (one as the Norse)
5. Turks ............................................. 2 votes (one as the Ottomans)
6. Celts ............................................ 1 vote
- Austro-hungarians .............................. 1 vote
- Minoans ........................................... 1 vote
- Iberians ........................................... 1 vote

Thanks
Yellfromhell

[ville]

Spanish, Vikings, Dutch

[yellfromhell]

Partial results July 21 - 17:38 GMT -3 hours

Patial results of first poll (¿Which new Euro-Civ deserves to be in Civ4?)

Spanish .................................................. ................ 5 votes
Belgians, Dutch, Celts, Turks, Poles & Vikings ................ 1 vote
One not listed here .................................................. . 4 votes

Partial results of 2nd poll (¿Which 3 new Euro-Civs deserve to be in Civ4?) - after Villes vote -)

1. Spanish ......................................... 9 votes
2. Dutch ........................................... 6 votes
3. Vikings .......................................... 5 votes (one as the Norse)
4. Portuguese .................................... 4 votes
5. Turks ............................................. 2 votes (one as the Ottomans)
6. Celts ............................................ 1 vote
- Austro-hungarians .............................. 1 vote
- Minoans ........................................... 1 vote
- Iberians ........................................... 1 vote

Thanks
Yellfromhell

[Dauphin]

Posting an update after every vote may considered as spam. Be careful.

[yellfromhell]

Hi Sagacious Dolphin,
Thank you for the advice. Anyway, I wont be caring about if someone can consider or not spam what Im doing. We have the policemen out there, then why must I have one inside my head too?
Hugs
Yellfromhell

[Spiffor]

I say Turks, Spanish and Celts. These 3 are (or were) great and distinct civs, which had many achievments on their own (not just some things different with the neighbour).
I think Portugal shouldn't be implemented for the same reason that Catalans shouldn't be implemented : by "Spanish", I hear all Civs from the Iberic Peninsula, even if they have differences among them.
By the same token, the "Germans" encompass all Germanic people, from near Danes to Austrians and Prussians (they're very different). "Chinese" encompass southern and northern Chinese, who speak different languages and have distinctive culture also.