What are the greatest civilizations of all time?

[siredgar]

From my understanding, the Baltic and Black Seas are considered parts of the Atlantic Ocean.

[siredgar]

Re: Re: Re: Re: What are the greatest civilizations of all time?

Originally posted by Ribannah


India is the origin of the Peace Movement, invented Chess, initiated TWO world religions and then some and produces more movies than the rest of the world put together.

Yes, I've seen some of those movies and I'll be sure to knock down India a couple of more notches for them.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Fayadi
3.Russian- I love those great conquerors since 1600 AD their empires stretches as far from Atlantic Ocean to Pacific Ocean from bordering with Germany to border with China and America.Look I know Size is not everything for a Civilization's greatness but remember it wasnt easy for Russia to manage such a large for centuries.They are the first one to go to space ,expanded the potentials of missiles

Byeond the Pacific, beyond
We have the common frontier with USA only after we sold Alaska to them.
Thanks for support.

[Serb]

Originally posted by siredgar

Anyhow, sure, I like cheese or chease as you call it.

Please keep point on my grammar errors. It's very helpfull.

So, peace or not?

[Fayadi]

Giovanni,same I am a Juventus fans too ,Cheers!
By the way Russia during Soviet Union is 2.5 times the size of USA, 1/7 the size of Earth's land,incredible........A Russian becomes a tourist of his own country will takes decades to explore...
Sorry to mention that Italy is a small country now,they arent so small actually,they are the 6/7th largest economy in the world in GDP

[Serb]

Originally posted by Fayadi
By the way Russia during Soviet Union is 2.5 times the size of USA, 1/7 the size of Earth's land,incredible........

In terms of territory, 1/6 during SU. I guess now, after desintegration of SU we have 1/7 of the world's territory.

[siredgar]

Originally posted by Serb

So, peace or not?

We wish to propose a deal.

We want:
Peace Treaty
World Map
550 gold
25 gold/per turn
Vladivostok

We offer:
Peace Treaty

[Serb]

Originally posted by siredgar


We wish to propose a deal.

We want:
Peace Treaty
World Map
550 gold
25 gold/per turn
Vladivostok

We offer:
Peace Treaty

Sure we agreed.










*General launch the nukes!*
Farewell Washington D.C. I wish you a good meeting with your founding fathers.

[Akka]

My own personnal ranking

1 - China
I don't think I have to argue about why

2 - Ancient Greece
Land of philosophers, extremely rich culture ,mythology, writings, and science. A culture goliath.

3 - Ancient Rome
Influence even now the western world. Nurturish dreams of power and great empires.

4 - Ancient Egypt
Old, very old civilization. Enormous achievements, thousands years of reign, very advanced in many parts. The fact that we're still remembering it is a proof of its importance.

5 - France
Center of Europe in science, thinking, culture and aura for centuries (members of nobility talked french rather than their homeland language throughout all Europe). Home of the modern philosophers, shakened the western world in 1789 and changed it forever.

6 - Arabs
Extremely advanced civilization for the times, much more tolerant than anything else in the area, big advances in sciences, culturally very developped.

7 - India
Very old culture, very subtle. Not better placed because of lack of unity and influence essentially regional.

8 - Japan
Rich culture, which was able to stand the drastic changes of modern times and still spread itself worldwide.

9 - USA
Subculture for masses, ok. But conquering and widespread culture anyway. Very important in the actual world, only hyperpower in existence.

10 - Aztecs/Mayas/Incas
Here it's only because of my own ignorance that I can't know which one of these three is the greatest, and that I have trouble to differentiate the cultures. Their astronomers and scientists were quite advanced, and their masoners were outstanding (they were able to carry several hundred tons-heavy stones from the next valley to the high of a mountains without using wheel...)

11 - Byzantine empire
12 - Russia
13 - Spain
14 - Babylon
15 - Persia
16 - Mali
17 - Celts
18 - England/UK
19 - Ottomans/Turks
20 - Native Americans.

[siredgar]

By the way, Serb, you inspired me to play the Russians for the first time in a long while. It's 1510 AD and I'm kicking butt. I haven't reached the Pacific Ocean yet, but I have taken all of Germany, Eastern Europe, and Finland, and half of the Middle East.

Oh yeah, on a side note, Jimmy Carter is visiting Cuba and I will call it right here: Castro is dead within a few weeks. JC is like the Grim Reaper of world politics. Every time he visits a dictator who never seems to go away, they die a few weeks later. He did that with Sani Abacha (Nigeria) and Kim Il Sung (North Korea). I bet the CIA implants some kind of a poison on his handshake without him knowing because the Jimmy is just too nice to knowingly serve as an assassin.

[Giovanni Wine]

Originally posted by Fayadi
Giovanni,same I am a Juventus fans too ,Cheers!
By the way Russia during Soviet Union is 2.5 times the size of USA, 1/7 the size of Earth's land,incredible........A Russian becomes a tourist of his own country will takes decades to explore...
Sorry to mention that Italy is a small country now,they arent so small actually,they are the 6/7th largest economy in the world in GDP

Dont' worry about that!
I perfectly know that we are small..... we are just a really tiny boot in tha middle of a small sea!

I guess that (like siredgar said) if you considered the Baltic sea as part of the Atlantic... well...i can sea how Russia streches from tha Atlantic to the Pacific (going the long way.... not the short way like US and Canada do )

P.S. keep cheering Juventus.... that's the way to go

Saluti

[Giovanni Wine]

Ok... you convinced me:
Here is my ranking:

Top 10:

1. China: one of the most ancient civ in the world still existing today, always played an important role in the world and most popolous country, they have the biggest military, don't have to talk any further.

2. Rome (+ Italy) : I hope you allow me to put them together.... anyway, well, one of the only civ to unite western Europe (except Germany), one of the civ with the highest culture ranking, and many modern Italian city (Rome, Venice, Florence, Palermo, Naples, Milan ) are visited every year by so many tourist all around the world, that is an alien civ would come in Italy during summer vacation would say that Italy is a Japanese colony.
Many of their innovations are still used again (for example this very same alphabet I'm using right now).

3. Ancient (+ modern) Greece: Probably the civ with the highest culture (?), homeland of pholosophy, mother of Democracy, their culture was later absorbed by the Romans that spreaded it around the known world, and is still having a huge influence in today western nations!

4. India (Modern and Ancient): big country, huge culture, developed two world religions that had and still have a huge number of followers. Homeland of the non-violent protest.

5. Russia: the biggest nation in the world, was one of the most powerful nations of the world, and probably was the most powerful while under communism. They are now caming back again and once again they'll probably be the most powrful (and only powerful) eastern European civ. Lots of resources, industries and still a great military... all they need is some more money for investiments and they have many chances of being a world super-power once again.

6. United Kingdom/Great Britain: Had the largest colonial empire and helded it for many years. They have the most advanced military. Dominated the seas for centuries and spread out their language (as we can see).

7. Ancient (and modern) Egypt: The oldest civ in the world, the oldest wonder in the world that are still standing. Great culture impact and still lot's of misteries about them. They were one of the biggest empire of their time.

8. Arabs: they conquered allthe middle east and the northern Africa in a relatively short time. They gave birth to the biggest religion in the world. They are still having a pretty big impact in world politics.

9. Germany: great music composer, scientist, philosophers, they shaked the world twice... and the last time they were about to win, biggest European economy, still a big military.

10. USA: The father of democracy (the mother is Greece), because they are the first to actually applied it to everybody (even if segregation and racism was a big threat to their democracy until the end of WW2). They now have the biggest economy in the world and the most efficient military. They rank so low only because their culture ranking is not very high, even if they are catching up rapidly with all their fastfood, jeans, and so on, that every country (beside maybe Italy ) seems to appreciate so much. They don't have their own language

11. France: scientist, philosopher, musicians, they had it all, biggest western European country (in matter of territory), and a fairly good military.

12. Spain
13. Portugal: Both countries had a huge colonial empire, their own language and mastered the art of esploration, Spain rank before bacause of biggerf influence in world affaires at that time, and bigger territory (modern).

14. Japan: became important much later than China or Korea, but had a huge impact in the world, they were a protagonist during WW2 were they controled their two nearby civs, and now are one of the biggest economy and most advanced state in the world.

15. Korea (North and South): One of the oldest and most pacific civ in the world, thay have their own language and they are know one of the biggest exporter in the world. they have their own language, alphabet and culture, and now are one of the most scientificely (sp?) nation in the world (south only).

This is my top 15:
Still surprise me the exclusion of Arabs, Spain and Korea from the original Civ3!!!!

Saluti

[dervish]

Hi!
I am new to this forum, but I have been to others. Here is my list of the best civs, please, attention to those who may want to feel offended, please feel free to be offended. But.....look at the list first.

Afro-Asiatic (372)
Alacalufan (2)
Algic (40)
Altaic (65)
Amto-Musan (2)
Andamanese (13)
Arauan (8)
Araucanian (2)
Arawakan (60)
Artificial language (3)
Arutani-Sape (2)
Australian (258)
Austro-Asiatic (168)
Austronesian (1262)
Aymaran (3)
Barbacoan (7)
Basque (3)
Bayono-Awbono (2)
Caddoan (5)
Cahuapanan (2)
Cant (1)
Carib (29)
Chapacura-Wanham (5)
Chibchan (22)
Chimakuan (1)
Choco (10)
Chon (2)
Chukotko-Kamchatkan (5)
Chumash (7)
Coahuiltecan (1)
Creole (81)
Deaf sign language (114)
Dravidian (75)
East Bird's Head (3)
East Papuan (36)
Eskimo-Aleut (11)
Geelvink Bay (33)
Guahiban (5)
Gulf (4)
Harakmbet (2)
Hmong-Mien (32)
Hokan (28)
Huavean (4)
Indo-European (443)
Iroquoian (10)
Japanese (12)
Jivaroan (4)
Katukinan (3)
Keres (2)
Khoisan (29)
Kiowa Tanoan (6)
Kwomtari-Baibai (6)
Language Isolate (30)
Left May (7)
Lower Mamberamo (2)
Lule-Vilela (1)
Macro-Ge (32)
Maku (6)
Mascoian (5)
Mataco-Guaicuru (11)
Mayan (69)
Misumalpan (4)
Mixe-Zoque (16)
Mixed Language (8)
Mosetenan (1)
Mura (1)
Muskogean (6)
Na-Dene (47)
Nambiquaran (5)
Niger-Congo (1489)
Nilo-Saharan (199)
North Caucasian (34)
Oto-Manguean (172)
Paezan (1)
Panoan (30)
Peba-Yaguan (2)
Penutian (33)
Pidgin (17)
Quechuan (46)
Salishan (27)
Salivan (2)
Sepik-Ramu (104)
Sign language (2)
Sino-Tibetan (365)
Siouan (17)
Sko (7)
South Caucasian (5)
Subtiaba-Tlapanec (4)
Tacanan (6)
Tai-Kadai (70)
Torricelli (48)
Totonacan (11)
Trans-New Guinea (552)
Tucanoan (25)
Tupi (70)
Unclassified (96)
Uralic (38)
Uru-Chipaya (2)
Uto-Aztecan (62)
Wakashan (5)
West Papuan (26)
Witotoan (6)
Yanomam (4)
Yenisei Ostyak (2)
Yukaghir (2)
Yuki (2)
Zamucoan (2)
Zaparoan (7)

[Ribannah]

Run! Run! The Unclassified are attacking!!

[jdjdjd]

Giovanni Wine,

Have you ever seen or put together an add to Civ, for Italians? hey could be scientific and commercial, Mussolini or Garibaldi as the leader, perhaps the fascist (brown shirt) as the special unit in Modern Era.

Let meknow if you know where I can find.

Thanks.