Civilization: cultures or nations?

[Beren]

There's a problem with assigning civilizations to cultures:
You might give the suggestion that the countries were cooperating.

Also: how are you going to put corruption problems if a civilization is actually ment to represent several countries who formed a single culture?

[Fresno]

Originally posted by dunk999


Why not? This is just a game, not some ultimate award for a civilization. Yay, the Greeks were included, that means they finally made it.

Don't you think there should be criteria to choose which civs to include and which not? I guess most people want to see civs which have some historic importance. The Zulus were important for only a short period.

[Oligarf]

Originally posted by Beren
There's a problem with assigning civilizations to cultures:
You might give the suggestion that the countries were cooperating.

Also: how are you going to put corruption problems if a civilization is actually ment to represent several countries who formed a single culture?

That's my problem with this culture thing too.

[Big Fish]

The Germans are influenced by Catholic and Protestant views.

Just as a small note Catholic and Protestant are both Christian religions.

Don't you think there should be criteria to choose which civs to include and which not?

The way they chose who to include or who to not include was just what they felt like. They could have included any nation they wanted too.

[Fresno]

Originally posted by Big Fish
The way they chose who to include or who to not include was just what they felt like. They could have included any nation they wanted too.

Right... Imagine they had chosen Liechtenstein, Monaco and Andorra instead of England, France and Russia...

[GeneralTacticus]

Right... Imagine they had chosen Liechtenstein, Monaco and Andorra instead of England, France and Russia...

They could have if they wanted to. Whether itm would have been a good idea is another matter.

[Beren]

Originally posted by Big Fish
The way they chose who to include or who to not include was just what they felt like. They could have included any nation they wanted too.

Of course they could, but they had to make sales, so they really couldn't sell a game which was about: Who will dominate the world: Liechtenstein, Monaco or San Marino.
They really had to include civs like Rome, Egypt, Russia, America, England and Germany

[Oligarf]

Originally posted by Beren
Who will dominate the world: Liechtenstein, Monaco or San Marino.

Don't know, sounds not even that bad... But where is the Pope and his state?

[Beren]

Originally posted by Oligarf
Don't know, sounds not even that bad... But where is the Pope and his state?

Well he was once a major power.

[lorddread]

nations vs culture



A main problem here is that the while the nation still exists, its culture doesn't. Examples of this are the Egyptians no longer believe in the old gods, nor do they build pyramids or statues. Yet their nation still exists. BTY The national boards of Egypt have NOT fundementally changed in the last 1000 years.

China has a really old HISTORY but a new culture. Its culture changed in the 1940's and 50's to something completely different from what it used to be. Is it a new country gamewise or old?

England formed in the dark ages into a nation. Before that the Romans and Pics owned it. While it has maintained its history and some of its culture, can anyone truly say it is the same as it was 300 years ago?

I have said it before and will say it again, Frixaxis needs to get rid of the idea of using real nations and have something like Alph Centauri. This would cure the problems it causes.

Just a thought


Let me know what you guys thing


Lord Dread
KATN

[lorddread]

thing

Let me know what you guys think.

Got Fat Finger syndrome


LD

KATN

[tandeetaylor]

I think it's a hard question, especially in modern times. In ancient, I would say cultures, because there are cultures that exist in many nations, even today. But in modern times, look at the US. There are many cultures, would you say that America is not a civilization?

[Beren]

To save us all the trouble: I would go for nations. (Please remember, that nations means a group of people who feel their a unity, thanks to their common background in the following aspects: history, language and religion (not all are necessary))

[Oligarf]

LD: I don't think I can identify with such in CIV.

Beren: We even may say to a certain extent that the Pope is still powerful in South-America.

[Fresno]

Oligarf: The pope never leaded a culture; there often was a mighty emperor to counter-balance his power. That's why they fought several battles against each other.