Stop the America-bashing!

[Serb]

jaseev,
I've never said that Chehen=terrorist. I've used words "Chehen terrorists" only for description of place where those terrorist are acted. It is fact that terrorists groups we've fought in Chehnya was multinational. Those groops was consisted of mercenaries from almost every Muslim ****ry and even fanatics from Europe, hell there was even russians. I do not want to offend guys who belif in Islam. I know that this is peaceful religion and those terrorists has nothing common with Islam. I am absolutely sure that terrorism has no religions as well it has no nationalities.

Tell me, when Americans start to support the Northern Alliance, and start to use aviation and cruise missiles against Taliban, wasn't it too hard, too cruel measures in war against terrorism? Why you are apploud to them, but pressure on us? Is it fair? Please, answer this qustion to me. I am really want to know why are you treat americans as heroes for absolutely the same actions like we do , while you treat us for this actions like cruel monsters, who fight against "small peaceful republic." Why you are so unfair? I really can not unerstand it.
I've heard abuot your problems with terrorists in Basque Country. I am sure if things was too bad like it was in Chechnya and Afghanistan, then I'm sure you've used your army. Police forces are absolutly useless in that case.
And one more thing, I do not need to know opinion of my enemy about me to win this enemy. What happens in USA when they entered the war against the Taliban. When some mass media started to take interviews with members of the Taliban, guys from US administration said to media tycoons -" Shout up your f*cken mouth, we are at war now. Stop your games in democracy, because our country is in danger'. And they were right. As one of our WW2 veterans said -"we've never win this war if "Pravda" (a soviet newspaper) posted Hitlers interviews".

And last thing and the most important, you do not need to know their point of view, because you already know it. I suppose all this years only their point of view was shown on yours TV screens.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Serb.

Has the US started supporting Russia in their actions in Chechnya? And are they helping Spain against ETA? It would certainly seem somewhat hypocritical if they urged the whole world to support them in their terrorist battles but failed to take on others' problems in return.

[jasev]

Oops, dupplicated post. Excuse me.

[jasev]

Originally posted by Serb
Tell me, when Americans start to support the Northern Alliance, and start to use aviation and cruise missiles against Taliban, wasn't it too hard, too cruel measures in war against terrorism? Why you are apploud to them, but pressure on us? Is it fair? Please, answer this qustion to me. I am really want to know why are you treat americans as heroes for absolutely the same actions like we do , while you treat us for this actions like cruel monsters, who fight against "small peaceful republic." Why you are so unfair? I really can not unerstand it.

What are you talking about? When did I applause that? In fact, I was considered as an anti-us troll by many americans because of my criticism about the Afghan war.

I am sure if things was too bad like it was in Chechnya and Afghanistan, then I'm sure you've used your army.

A Spanish general was condemned to a 70 years at prison penalty because he used illegal policies to combat terrorism (i.e, he didn't respect their civil rights). I sincerely doubt that somebody will dare to try it again.

And last thing and the most important, you do not need to know their point of view, because you already know it. I suppose all this years only their point of view was shown on yours TV screens.

In fact, I knew both POVs because both were shown on my TV screens. But here I've only read yours.

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
And are they helping Spain against ETA?

Not at all. As I said in a previous post, we're very glad they're on our side in the war against terrorism, but we're just wondering on which side were they before.

[Serb]

They were hypocritical, is hypocritical now and allways will be hypocritical. This is the main principle of their foriegn policy, I suppose.

[MrWhereItsAt]

Personally, I blame George Bush and Ariel Sharon for all the headline problems. It's easier that way. But it sucks that we don't hear about any opposition to all of this in the US. If it's there it ain't big.

Surely all Americans aren't of the same mind as their President.

Now THAT is a scary thought.

[Serb]

Originally posted by jasev

What are you talking about? When did I applause that? In fact, I was considered as an anti-us troll by many americans because of my criticism about the Afghan war.

Ok, by "you" I've mean the rest of the world, not you exactly. So, you can not answer to me?

(i.e, he didn't respect their civil rights).

Excuse me, you mean civil rights of terrorists? Can you tell me more about this case, I really want to know, we has familiar event.

In fact, I knew both POVs because both were shown on my TV screens. But here I've only read yours.

Well, I suppose we see different shows, when I see BBC news I don't see very much of our POV.

Not at all. As I said in a previous post, we're very glad they're on our side in the war against terrorism, but we're just wondering on which side were they before.

[jasev]

Originally posted by Serb
Excuse me, you mean civil rights of terrorists? Can you tell me more about this case, I really want to know, we has familiar event.

Extracted from IA international report, 2001:

Lasa/Zabala trial
In April the National Court sentenced former General Enrique RodrÃguez Galindo and former civil governor Julen Elgorriaga to a total of 71 years' imprisonment each for the illegal detention and murder in 1983 of ETA suspects José António Lasa and José Ignacio Zabala. Three former Civil Guard officers were sentenced to between 67 and 69 years' imprisonment, and two - including a former secretary of state already convicted in another case - were acquitted. However, the court set aside charges of torture on the grounds of insufficient evidence and, more controversially, ruled that there was not enough evidence to prove that the accused had been members of an armed band, the Grupos Antiterroristas de Liberación (GAL). General Galindo - who had been promoted to that rank in 1995, after the emergence of evidence that he could be implicated in the murders - and his co-defendants appealed against their convictions to the Supreme Court. However, the National Court ordered the immediate detention of those defendants who were not already in prison, including General Galindo, without awaiting the verdict of the Supreme Court. The case had taken 16 years to come to trial, during which time crucial evidence was undoubtedly lost.


The most funny thing is there were no evidences, but the public opinion demanded them to be condemned.

[Serb]

The most funny thing is there were no evidences, but the public opinion demanded them to be condemned.

Don't you find that public opinion is very dangerous thing, for justice? Remember O.J.Simpson case?

As for military criminals, this example is not uniqe. The colonel of Russian army Yuri Budanov now put in jail becase he is suspected in murder of 19 years Chehen girl, who was sniper and shoot many people from his regiment. He punished her by his own hands. Now, he is in jail and awaiting of court decision.

[MrWhereItsAt]

It's amazing how much the media screens what news we get, isn't it? I never heard of that here in NZ.

[jasev]

Originally posted by Serb
19 years Chehen girl, who was sniper and shoot many people from his regiment.

A 19-year-old sniper girl?
Get out of Chechenya, you can't win that war.

[Dry]

Originally posted by Serb

Don't you find that public opinion is very dangerous thing, for justice? Remember O.J.Simpson case?

As for military criminals, this example is not uniqe. The colonel of Russian army Yuri Budanov now put in jail becase he is suspected in murder of 19 years Chehen girl, who was sniper and shoot many people from his regiment. He punished her by his own hands. Now, he is in jail and awaiting of court decision.

May I advice you to read (or re-read) a book called 'The lord of the rings'. This book talk about a ring, the Unique, the ring of power. Some charaters in the book, say they should use it for 'good' to fight 'evil', but the problem is that if you use it, you are in danger of becoming 'evil'.
The whole story is about destroying this ring and not using it.

[Serb]

Originally posted by Dry

May I advice you to read (or re-read) a book called 'The lord of the rings'. This book talk about a ring, the Unique, the ring of power. Some charaters in the book, say they should use it for 'good' to fight 'evil', but the problem is that if you use it, you are in danger of becoming 'evil'.
The whole story is about destroying this ring and not using it.

Do you know that russian writer Nick Perumov EDITDamn, these irregulars’ verbs again. jaseev, I need a couple of your lessons.) wrote about 20 books based on Talkiens characters. It is very cool continue of the story.

[Serb]

It's amazing how much the media screens what news we get, isn't it? I never heard of that here in NZ.

It was happen about two years ago, but case was put in court not so long ago, now court make its desicion.

Get out of Chechenya, you can't win that war.

Why do you think that young girls can not be snipers. The most interesting thing is that the big part of terrorists snipers acted in Chehnya was wemen, mostly from Baltic states. I don't know how to explain this. But I am absolutely sure about reasons why they made this, not because of fight for ideals or principles they were well paid for each murder. Do you know about price lists for heads of russian soldiers and officeiers?
Btw, we aready win this war.
Chehnya it is not an Afghanistan this land belongs to Russia and none bustard in the world can make us left even a small part of OUR land. Remember it, and please remember one more thing, if we left Chehnya (it will never happen, but only teoreticly) are you sure that Europe is ready enough to face threat of terrorism? Not devastated cars, not walking bombs- sucide fanaticts who sacrifaice itself leaded by their 'leit motivs'. Are you ready to face real terrorism? The only goal of which, is to establish reign of terror and chaos. As I've already told you that we leave Chechya once in 1996, for the period of three years they were free to do anything they want. What did they done? They established a fundamentalistic state based on terrible medievals laws and they don't stopped, they start to expand and attacked neighbor territory. Are you sure that Europe is ready for this? Do you know about people burned alive on the streets of Kabul only because they were Christians? The same was in Chechnya during this three years. You do not know about their horrible crimes, you do not know nothing about genocide of russians in Chehnya. You know nothing. So, if you do not thank us for what we've done, just stop bashing us for what you do not understand, and not able to understand.
Best regards from an Empire of Evil.
See you tommorow.

[Willem]

Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt
Personally, I blame George Bush and Ariel Sharon for all the headline problems. It's easier that way. But it sucks that we don't hear about any opposition to all of this in the US. If it's there it ain't big.

Surely all Americans aren't of the same mind as their President.

Now THAT is a scary thought.

Shortly after Sept. 11., Bush had a public approval rating of 90%, the highest of any president ever. I'm not sure what it is now, but it is still very high. So yes, they are pretty much of the same mind as their president.